Would you want to win the Rookie of the Year Award?

[i43770]

I know some great players have won the ROY, but more players haven't ever panned out after their rookie year. So would you want to win the ROY if you were a player?

 

[blitzerlover]

Who voted no? Why wouldn't you want an award?

 

[Austin]

I know some great players have won the ROY, but more players haven't ever panned out after their rookie year. So would you want to win the ROY if you were a player?

Why wouldn't you want to win the ROY Award?
Do you honestly think there is a curse placed on some players who win the award?
Sure, some players have a sophomore slump, and others have poor careers, but it has nothing to do with an award.
And if players can't take the pressure of living up to their rookie season, they shouldn't be in the Majors.

 

[ChasHawk]

AL Winners - Some pretty impressive careers here.

2008 Evan Longoria Tampa Bay
2007 Dustin Pedroia Boston
2006 Justin Verlander Detroit
2005 Huston Street Oakland
2004 Bobby Crosby Oakland
2003 Angel Berroa Kansas City
2002 Eric Hinske Toronto
2001 Ichiro Suzuki Seattle
2000 Kazuhiro Sasaki Seattle
1999 Carlos Beltran Kansas City
1998 Ben Grieve Oakland
1997 Nomar Garciaparra Boston
1996 Derek Jeter New York
1995 Marty Cordova Minnesota
1994 Bob Hamelin Kansas City
1993 Tim Salmon California
1992 Pat Listach Milwaukee
1991 Chuck Knoblauch Minnesota
1990 Sandy Alomar, Jr. Cleveland
1989 Gregg Olson Baltimore
1988 Walt Weiss Oakland
1987 Mark McGwire Oakland
1986 Jose Canseco Oakland
1985 Ozzie Guillen Chicago
1984 Alvin Davis Seattle
1983 Ron Kittle Chicago
1982 Cal Ripken, Jr. Baltimore
1981 Dave Righetti New York
1980 Joe Charboneau Cleveland
1979 John Castino - Alfredo Griffin - Minnesota - Toronto
1978 Lou Whitaker Detroit
1977 Eddie Murray Baltimore
1976 Mark Fidrych Detroit
1975 Fred Lynn Boston
1974 Mike Hargrove Texas
1973 Al Bumbry Baltimore
1972 Carlton Fisk Boston
1971 Chris Chambliss Cleveland
1970 Thurman Munson New York
1969 Lou Piniella Kansas City
1968 Stan Bahnsen New York
1967 Rod Carew Minnesota
1966 Tommie Agee Chicago
1965 Curt Blefary Baltimore
1964 Tony Oliva Minnesota
1963 Gary Peters Chicago
1962 Tom Tresh New York
1961 Don Schwall Boston
1960 Ron Hansen Baltimore
1959 Bob Allison Washington
1958 Albie Pearson Washington
1957 Tony Kubek New York
1956 Luis Aparicio Chicago
1955 Herb Score Cleveland
1954 Bob Grim New York
1953 Harvey Kuenn Detroit
1952 Harry Byrd Philadelphia A's
1951 Gil McDougald New York
1950 Walt Dropo Boston
1949 Roy Sievers St. Louis Browns

 

[ChasHawk]

NL - Looks just as good

2008 Geovany Soto Chicago
2007 Ryan Braun Milwaukee
2006 Hanley Ramirez Florida
2005 Ryan Howard Philadelphia
2004 Jason Bay Pittsburgh
2003 Dontrelle Willis Florida
2002 Jason Jennings Colorado
2001 Albert Pujols St. Louis
2000 Rafael Furcal Atlanta
1999 Scott Williamson Cincinnati
1998 Kerry Wood Chicago
1997 Scott Rolen Philadelphia
1996 Todd Hollandsworth Los Angeles
1995 Hideo Nomo Los Angeles
1994 Raul Mondesi Los Angeles
1993 Mike Piazza Los Angeles
1992 Eric Karros Los Angeles
1991 Jeff Bagwell Houston
1990 Dave Justice Atlanta
1989 Jerome Walton Chicago
1988 Chris Sabo Cincinnati
1987 Benito Santiago San Diego
1986 Todd Worrell St. Louis
1985 Vince Coleman St. Louis
1984 Dwight Gooden New York
1983 Darryl Strawberry New York
1982 Steve Sax Los Angeles
1981 Fernando Valenzuela Los Angeles
1980 Steve Howe Los Angeles
1979 Rick Sutcliffe Los Angeles
1978 Bob Horner Atlanta
1977 Andre Dawson Montreal
1976 Butch Metzger - Pat Zachry - San Diego - Cincinnati
1975 John Montefusco San Francisco
1974 Bake McBride St. Louis
1973 Gary Matthews San Francisco
1972 Jon Matlack New York
1971 Earl Williams Atlanta
1970 Carl Morton Montreal
1969 Ted Sizemore Los Angeles
1968 Johnny Bench Cincinnati
1967 Tom Seaver New York
1966 Tommy Helms Cincinnati
1965 Jim Lefebvre Los Angeles
1964 Richie Allen Philadelphia
1963 Pete Rose Cincinnati
1962 Ken Hubbs Chicago
1961 Billy Williams Chicago
1960 Frank Howard Los Angeles
1959 Willie McCovey San Francisco
1958 Orlando Cepeda San Francisco
1957 Jack Sanford Philadelphia
1956 Frank Robinson Cincinnati
1955 Bill Virdon St. Louis
1954 Wally Moon St. Louis
1953 Jim Gilliam Brooklyn
1952 Joe Black Brooklyn
1951 Willie Mays New York Giants
1950 Sam Jethroe Boston
1949 Don Newcombe Brooklyn

 

[Austin]

It must also be pointed out that no one expected many ROY winners to become stars.
Sometimes, a mediocre player won the award because they were the only decent rookie that season.
For instance, Walt Weiss won ROY in 1988, hitting .250 with 3 homers, but played good defense.
Others, like Gregg Olson and Kaz Susaki were good relievers, but no one expected them to be superstars.
So winning the ROY award is largely dependent on how good the other rookies are, not necessarily because the winner is a great player or has superstar potential.

 

[Philip J. Fry]

If I was playing and was a contender, you can bet I'd want to win the award. Who cares if fans expect me to produce the same numbers the next season? I want to be recognized for what I accomplished this season.

 

[i43770]

NL - Looks just as good

2000 Rafael Furcal Atlanta
1995 Hideo Nomo Los Angeles
1981 Fernando Valenzuela Los Angeles

I'm confused on why these guys are blue?

 

[thenumberonemetfan]

NL - Looks just as good

2000 Rafael Furcal Atlanta
1995 Hideo Nomo Los Angeles
1981 Fernando Valenzuela Los Angeles

I'm confused on why these guys are blue?

Furcal was a very good player for a few years and has pretty good looking career numbers for a ss

Fernando won 170 games with an era of 3.50 a Cy young and finished in the top 5 3 other times

Nomo had a couple of GREAT years...just had more bad years.

 

[ChasHawk]

NL - Looks just as good

2000 Rafael Furcal Atlanta
1995 Hideo Nomo Los Angeles
1981 Fernando Valenzuela Los Angeles

I'm confused on why these guys are blue?

Furcal was a very good player for a few years and has pretty good looking career numbers for a ss

Fernando won 170 games with an era of 3.50 a Cy young and finished in the top 5 3 other times

Nomo had a couple of GREAT years...just had more bad years.

this.

 

[i43770]

NL - Looks just as good

2000 Rafael Furcal Atlanta
1995 Hideo Nomo Los Angeles
1981 Fernando Valenzuela Los Angeles

I'm confused on why these guys are blue?

Furcal was a very good player for a few years and has pretty good looking career numbers for a ss

Fernando won 170 games with an era of 3.50 a Cy young and finished in the top 5 3 other times

Nomo had a couple of GREAT years...just had more bad years.

In his last 10 seasons, Fernando was never over .500.

Nomo did have a few great years, but his career stats aren't great

As for Furcal, I don't see his career being that impressive so far. Yeah he has 1500 hits in 10 seasons. But except for last year, when he only played 38 games, he has never hit over .300. He has struck out over 200 more times than he has walked.

 

[i43770]

I guess my point to this question was. Would you rather have a great rookie year and win an award. Or have more of a consistent career?

Of the last 20 players voted into the HOF, only 3 of them were ROY.

 

[DRav87]

Who voted no? Why wouldn't you want an award?

No kidding.

 

[donrusscrusademan]

sure, I would like to win.

there have been some good players.. 2001 ROY class may never be beat.

 

[Sly]

NL - Looks just as good

2000 Rafael Furcal Atlanta
1995 Hideo Nomo Los Angeles
1981 Fernando Valenzuela Los Angeles

I'm confused on why these guys are blue?

Furcal was a very good player for a few years and has pretty good looking career numbers for a ss

Fernando won 170 games with an era of 3.50 a Cy young and finished in the top 5 3 other times

Nomo had a couple of GREAT years...just had more bad years.

In his last 10 seasons, Fernando was never over .500.

Nomo did have a few great years, but his career stats aren't great

As for Furcal, I don't see his career being that impressive so far. Yeah he has 1500 hits in 10 seasons. But except for last year, when he only played 38 games, he has never hit over .300. He has struck out over 200 more times than he has walked.

Valenzuela - Actually, he was 13-8 in '96, 8-3 in '95 and those were two of his last three years. Four times he finished in the Top 5 in Cy Young Award voting (winning once). Four time All-Star in the days when it counted to be an all-star. How about 5-1 with a 1.98 ERA in 9 post-season games (8 starts). Eight seasons of 13+ wins. I'm going to say Fernando Valenzuela had a pretty decent career.

Furcal - Career .285 hitter, almost 1500 hits, 250 doubles, generally steals 25+ bases a season and scores 80+ runs a year. You pull out the strikeouts/walks piece, but he's only once struck out more than 100 times in a season and he walks over 50 times every season. I mean, Ichiro's struck out almost 200 times more than he's walked...does that not make him good? Hell, Reggie Jackson struck out over 1000 times more than he walked...was he not good? Rafael Furcal, has had a pretty decent career.

No one is saying these guys had Hall of Fame numbers, but they did have decent careers.

 

[sheetskout]

If FCB had a Hall of Shame for the stupidest polls of all time this would be right up there.

 

[i43770]

Furcal - Career .285 hitter, almost 1500 hits, 250 doubles, generally steals 25+ bases a season and scores 80+ runs a year. You pull out the strikeouts/walks piece, but he's only once struck out more than 100 times in a season and he walks over 50 times every season. I mean, Ichiro's struck out almost 200 times more than he's walked...does that not make him good? Hell, Reggie Jackson struck out over 1000 times more than he walked...was he not good? Rafael Furcal, has had a pretty decent career.

Ichiro has has struck out almost 200 more times than he has walked. But he also has over 2000 hits in a year less and a .333 batting average.

Very true on the Reggie Jackson point. But he was paid to hit HR and RBIs, which he has averaged twice as many RBIs and 3 times as many HR per season as Furcal.

 

[Sly]

Furcal - Career .285 hitter, almost 1500 hits, 250 doubles, generally steals 25+ bases a season and scores 80+ runs a year. You pull out the strikeouts/walks piece, but he's only once struck out more than 100 times in a season and he walks over 50 times every season. I mean, Ichiro's struck out almost 200 times more than he's walked...does that not make him good? Hell, Reggie Jackson struck out over 1000 times more than he walked...was he not good? Rafael Furcal, has had a pretty decent career.

Ichiro has struck out 590 times with 409 walks, but that is close to 200. But he also has over 2000 hits in a year less and a .333 batting average.

Very true on the Reggie Jackson point. But he was paid to hit HR and RBIs, which he has averaged twice as many RBIs and 3 times as many HR per season as Furcal.

So basically what you're saying is that unless a guy hits .300+ every year or hits HR's, he's not a good (or even decent player)?

Cal Ripken Jr. had 1552 hits in his first 10 seasons and a .274 average (in about 180 games more than Furcal). Does that mean Ripken wasn't good?

In all seriousness, I don't get where you can say that Furcal's not had a decent career thus far.

 

[i43770]

Furcal - Career .285 hitter, almost 1500 hits, 250 doubles, generally steals 25+ bases a season and scores 80+ runs a year. You pull out the strikeouts/walks piece, but he's only once struck out more than 100 times in a season and he walks over 50 times every season. I mean, Ichiro's struck out almost 200 times more than he's walked...does that not make him good? Hell, Reggie Jackson struck out over 1000 times more than he walked...was he not good? Rafael Furcal, has had a pretty decent career.

Ichiro has struck out 590 times with 409 walks, but that is close to 200. But he also has over 2000 hits in a year less and a .333 batting average.

Very true on the Reggie Jackson point. But he was paid to hit HR and RBIs, which he has averaged twice as many RBIs and 3 times as many HR per season as Furcal.

So basically what you're saying is that unless a guy hits .300+ every year or hits HR's, he's not a good (or even decent player)?

Cal Ripken Jr. had 1552 hits in his first 10 seasons and a .274 average (in about 180 games more than Furcal). Does that mean Ripken wasn't good?

In all seriousness, I don't get where you can say that Furcal's not had a decent career thus far.

This all originally came from chashawk putting the players in blue, that has had impress careers. I don't believe that Furcal has had an impressive career. I have never said he hasn't had a decent career.

Cal Ripken, after 10 season didn't have an impressive career, except for the streak. But he kept the streak going and went on to hit over 3000 hits. If Furcal ends up playing for another 10 seasons, and ends up with 3000+ hits, 500+ SB, almost 1000 RBIs, I will say that is an impress career.

 

[matfanofold]

Winning the ROY award only means you had the better RC season than your RC peers. Why would you not want that? Why would you not want to have the best season out of all RC's? What supersticious twit would want to pass that up?