Yankees agree to sign Hiroki Kuroda 1 yr $10-$11 mill

[D-Lite]

[quote="D-Lite":4wi8gkmw]

[quote="D-Lite":4wi8gkmw]There is no way Cashman brings in Pineda and Kuroda without punting AJ.

haha good try :twisted:

Someone's bitter.

bitter at what? lol

AJ is signed through 2013 and is making too much $ for them to just get rid of him...he will still pitch

CC. Pineda. Nova. Kuroda. Hughes/Garcia.

AJ is clearly out of a rotation spot. Yes, he'll pitch, but for someone else. They'll eat a ton of the salary to move him and do it gladly. Not sure how you could think any differently. You think Cashman brought those two guys in and resigned Garcia without the intention of moving Burnett? There's 6 guys on the chart ahead of him, 5 of them indisputably.

Bitter as a Red Sox fan. Cashman just pulled off a very solid trade for a young stud pitcher (and a huge upside one in addition) dealing from depth in the organization.[/quote:4wi8gkmw]
lol i doubt they will eat $33million, besides no one would even take him. Not even for half his salary...the Yanks overpaid and will have to live with that.

I'm not bitter at all about the trade...Pineda sucked in his only start against the Sox last season :lol:[/quote:4wi8gkmw]
Of course they'd have to eat a chunk of that, a large one. BUT there's no point keeping him on the roster and getting any kind of relief any portion of the salary is a win. Someone easily takes AJ at $5 MM/year, easily.

 

[scotty21690]

We will see....I say he will go to the 'pen. If he only had 1 year left I'd be inclined to agree with you.

 

[D-Lite]

We will see....I say he will go to the 'pen. If he only had 1 year left I'd be inclined to agree with you.

Maybe the 'pen, but they'd get more value trading him away at this point. The bullpen has pretty much one opening after: Rivera, Robertson, Soriano, Logan, Wade, and potentially one of the two Rule 5 guys Cesar Cabral (from the Red Sox and a lefty) or Brad Meyers. But they have 6 starters not named AJ Burnett, so likely Hughes or Garcia is the long/7th man. And they have a ton of guys in AAA that could easily step into the bullpen or 5th spot should the need arise.

 

[James52411]

We will see....I say he will go to the 'pen. If he only had 1 year left I'd be inclined to agree with you.

Maybe the 'pen, but they'd get more value trading him away at this point. The bullpen has pretty much one opening after: Rivera, Robertson, Soriano, Logan, Wade, and potentially one of the two Rule 5 guys Cesar Cabral (from the Red Sox and a lefty) or Brad Meyers. But they have 6 starters not named AJ Burnett, so likely Hughes or Garcia is the long/7th man. And they have a ton of guys in AAA that could easily step into the bullpen or 5th spot should the need arise.

Two years of that salary is too much to eat, and Burnett does give them rotation depth. Injuries can happen, particularly when Phil Hughes is involved.

 

[D-Lite]

We will see....I say he will go to the 'pen. If he only had 1 year left I'd be inclined to agree with you.

Maybe the 'pen, but they'd get more value trading him away at this point. The bullpen has pretty much one opening after: Rivera, Robertson, Soriano, Logan, Wade, and potentially one of the two Rule 5 guys Cesar Cabral (from the Red Sox and a lefty) or Brad Meyers. But they have 6 starters not named AJ Burnett, so likely Hughes or Garcia is the long/7th man. And they have a ton of guys in AAA that could easily step into the bullpen or 5th spot should the need arise.

Two years of that salary is too much to eat, and Burnett does give them rotation depth. Injuries can happen, particularly when Phil Hughes is involved.

Sure, and Garcia is older. BUT, that said, I'd prefer one of Warren, Phelps, or DJ Mitchell to step up. All three are capable in the event of injury or other. And this doesn't even include Banuelos or Betances in the mix.

 

[MantMaris]

Up next, Carlos Pena.

I will slit my wrists if this happens.

Don't they need a DH now though? :shock:

Fielder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Signed, do it now Brian Cashman!

With the age in the infield I wish they would keep the DH open for ARod, Jeter, etc and play Eduardo Nunez more but looks like Pena is it:

From Rotoworld:
According to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com, the Yankees now have free agent Carlos Pena on their radar.

 

[jbone17]

Up next, Carlos Pena.

I will slit my wrists if this happens.

Don't they need a DH now though? :shock:

Fielder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Signed, do it now Brian Cashman!

With the age in the infield I wish they would keep the DH open for ARod, Jeter, etc and play Eduardo Nunez more but looks like Pena is it:

From Rotoworld:
According to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com, the Yankees now have free agent Carlos Pena on their radar.

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! I hope not.

 

[Wes]

Kuroda is going to get ripped in New York.

 

[Rickzcards]

jbone, you should really take the home glasses off and look at this realistically: Kuroda HAS been better than Hughes the last 3 seasons.

Hughes won 18 games BECAUSE of the Yankees offense, not because of his talent.

The $10 million is chump change to the organization and is for ONE season.

CC, Pineda, Kuroda, Hughes, Garcia/Colon/Minor League Star A is a HELL of a lot better than what the Yankees had yesterday.

Unless the Sox, Rays or Blue Jays starts out hot and win a few series from the Yanks early in the year, I can see the Yankees flirting with 95+ wins again this season.

The Rangers should keep a look out, seems the AL may be a 3 headed beast now.

Word!

 

[zach]

If the Yankees are able to dump AJ, everyone can come to my house and celebrate with some 30 year old Scotch!

 

[D-Lite]

We will see....I say he will go to the 'pen. If he only had 1 year left I'd be inclined to agree with you.

Maybe the 'pen, but they'd get more value trading him away at this point. The bullpen has pretty much one opening after: Rivera, Robertson, Soriano, Logan, Wade, and potentially one of the two Rule 5 guys Cesar Cabral (from the Red Sox and a lefty) or Brad Meyers. But they have 6 starters not named AJ Burnett, so likely Hughes or Garcia is the long/7th man. And they have a ton of guys in AAA that could easily step into the bullpen or 5th spot should the need arise.

AAANNNNDDD I just remembered that Joba will be back early-mid season, taking yet another bullpen spot.

 

[MacK]

I agree with wasting 10 million but Kuroda at 4 is huge and is much better than garcia hughes and Burnett

Not better than Hughes. Hughes is going to be a beast this season and he has been working out and staying healthy all winter. He is a 18 game winner when he is healthy. Kuroda will never come close to that. I agree that he is better than Garcia and Burnett, but knocking Hughes out of this rotation is not for me.

Hughes is a past 18 game winner, yes, but a lot of those wins simply came from being a Yankee.

Kuroda has a 3.45 ERA over 114 starts. He had a 3.07 ERA last year. Kuroda is fantastic, and could easily win 15, 16 for the Yankees. Kuroda's WAR over the last two seasons is higher both years than Hughes' best season.

 

[DaClyde]

Given his performance over the last three seasons (or now that I look at it, over his whole career...what exactly to people see in this guy?), the Yankees are better off paying Burnett NOT to pitch than ever putting him back in the rotation or bullpen. And if he absolutely HAS to pitch, treat him like Dontrelle Willis and send him down to A ball until he can learn how not to get shelled ever other outing.

 

[Wes]

I agree with wasting 10 million but Kuroda at 4 is huge and is much better than garcia hughes and Burnett

Not better than Hughes. Hughes is going to be a beast this season and he has been working out and staying healthy all winter. He is a 18 game winner when he is healthy. Kuroda will never come close to that. I agree that he is better than Garcia and Burnett, but knocking Hughes out of this rotation is not for me.

Hughes is a past 18 game winner, yes, but a lot of those wins simply came from being a Yankee.

Kuroda has a 3.45 ERA over 114 starts. He had a 3.07 ERA last year. Kuroda is fantastic, and could easily win 15, 16 for the Yankees. Kuroda's WAR over the last two seasons is higher both years than Hughes' best season.

Kuroda was pitching in Dodger Stadium against the NL West. Waving his ERA around is preposterous.

 

[MacK]

I agree with wasting 10 million but Kuroda at 4 is huge and is much better than garcia hughes and Burnett

Not better than Hughes. Hughes is going to be a beast this season and he has been working out and staying healthy all winter. He is a 18 game winner when he is healthy. Kuroda will never come close to that. I agree that he is better than Garcia and Burnett, but knocking Hughes out of this rotation is not for me.

Hughes is a past 18 game winner, yes, but a lot of those wins simply came from being a Yankee.

Kuroda has a 3.45 ERA over 114 starts. He had a 3.07 ERA last year. Kuroda is fantastic, and could easily win 15, 16 for the Yankees. Kuroda's WAR over the last two seasons is higher both years than Hughes' best season.

Kuroda was pitching in Dodger Stadium against the NL West. Waving his ERA around is preposterous.

I'm not sure if you can completely ignore it, but I get what you're saying. It'll be a transition, but I still see him being a 3 WAR pitcher for the Yanks with an ERA under 4.

 

[James52411]

I agree with wasting 10 million but Kuroda at 4 is huge and is much better than garcia hughes and Burnett

Not better than Hughes. Hughes is going to be a beast this season and he has been working out and staying healthy all winter. He is a 18 game winner when he is healthy. Kuroda will never come close to that. I agree that he is better than Garcia and Burnett, but knocking Hughes out of this rotation is not for me.

Hughes is a past 18 game winner, yes, but a lot of those wins simply came from being a Yankee.

Kuroda has a 3.45 ERA over 114 starts. He had a 3.07 ERA last year. Kuroda is fantastic, and could easily win 15, 16 for the Yankees. Kuroda's WAR over the last two seasons is higher both years than Hughes' best season.

Kuroda was pitching in Dodger Stadium against the NL West. Waving his ERA around is preposterous.

Kuroda has been completely consistent throughout his entire career. He puts up a WHIP of about 1.20, has a 3:1 K/BB ratio, allows less than a hit per inning, and gives you about 6 innings a start. He showed no drop off last year. I agree that his stats will take a bit of a hit going to the AL in a tougher division, but he should still be a solid back of the rotation starter who will eat innings and win 12-15 games. Why exactly do you think Kuroda is going to get lit up like a Christmas tree next year?

 

[Wes]

I agree with wasting 10 million but Kuroda at 4 is huge and is much better than garcia hughes and Burnett

Not better than Hughes. Hughes is going to be a beast this season and he has been working out and staying healthy all winter. He is a 18 game winner when he is healthy. Kuroda will never come close to that. I agree that he is better than Garcia and Burnett, but knocking Hughes out of this rotation is not for me.

Hughes is a past 18 game winner, yes, but a lot of those wins simply came from being a Yankee.

Kuroda has a 3.45 ERA over 114 starts. He had a 3.07 ERA last year. Kuroda is fantastic, and could easily win 15, 16 for the Yankees. Kuroda's WAR over the last two seasons is higher both years than Hughes' best season.

Kuroda was pitching in Dodger Stadium against the NL West. Waving his ERA around is preposterous.

Kuroda has been completely consistent throughout his entire career. He puts up a WHIP of about 1.20, has a 3:1 K/BB ratio, allows less than a hit per inning, and gives you about 6 innings a start. He showed no drop off last year. I agree that his stats will take a bit of a hit going to the AL in a tougher division, but he should still be a solid back of the rotation starter who will eat innings and win 12-15 games. Why exactly do you think Kuroda is going to get lit up like a Christmas tree next year?

The NL West lineups are terrible compared to the AL East's. The NL West has three fantastic pitchers parks - including LA. The AL West has superior offenses and four parks that generally favor the hitter. His stuff is not good enough to get the strikeouts needed to be successful in that division. He was worth 2.4 fWAR last year - I'd expect at least a drop of a win to a win and a half - maybe more. I don't want to hear about pitcher wins - completely irrelevant.

 

[jcmint]

I agree with wasting 10 million but Kuroda at 4 is huge and is much better than garcia hughes and Burnett

Not better than Hughes. Hughes is going to be a beast this season and he has been working out and staying healthy all winter. He is a 18 game winner when he is healthy. Kuroda will never come close to that. I agree that he is better than Garcia and Burnett, but knocking Hughes out of this rotation is not for me.

Dude wake up man. Reading your latest posts I have to question your baseball knowledge. Did you look at Kurodas stats this year. He was a very good pitcher. Hughes as much as we want to see him better just doesnt look good. Hughes in the 4/5 spot looks great.

 

[George_Calfas]

[quote="colts1888":3elzku63]I agree with wasting 10 million but Kuroda at 4 is huge and is much better than garcia hughes and Burnett

Not better than Hughes. Hughes is going to be a beast this season and he has been working out and staying healthy all winter. He is a 18 game winner when he is healthy. Kuroda will never come close to that. I agree that he is better than Garcia and Burnett, but knocking Hughes out of this rotation is not for me.

Hughes is a past 18 game winner, yes, but a lot of those wins simply came from being a Yankee.

Kuroda has a 3.45 ERA over 114 starts. He had a 3.07 ERA last year. Kuroda is fantastic, and could easily win 15, 16 for the Yankees. Kuroda's WAR over the last two seasons is higher both years than Hughes' best season.

Kuroda was pitching in Dodger Stadium against the NL West. Waving his ERA around is preposterous.

Kuroda has been completely consistent throughout his entire career. He puts up a WHIP of about 1.20, has a 3:1 K/BB ratio, allows less than a hit per inning, and gives you about 6 innings a start. He showed no drop off last year. I agree that his stats will take a bit of a hit going to the AL in a tougher division, but he should still be a solid back of the rotation starter who will eat innings and win 12-15 games. Why exactly do you think Kuroda is going to get lit up like a Christmas tree next year?

The NL West lineups are terrible compared to the AL East's. The NL West has three fantastic pitchers parks - including LA. The AL West has superior offenses and four parks that generally favor the hitter. His stuff is not good enough to get the strikeouts needed to be successful in that division. He was worth 2.4 fWAR last year - I'd expect at least a drop of a win to a win and a half - maybe more. I don't want to hear about pitcher wins - completely irrelevant.[/quote:3elzku63]

How much run support win he get when compared to his old team? Will this equal a longer leash? Did the NYY signed him to win games or have a great BS sabermetrics stat line?

 

[Wes]

[quote="jbone17":2jo65khj][quote="colts1888":2jo65khj]I agree with wasting 10 million but Kuroda at 4 is huge and is much better than garcia hughes and Burnett

Not better than Hughes. Hughes is going to be a beast this season and he has been working out and staying healthy all winter. He is a 18 game winner when he is healthy. Kuroda will never come close to that. I agree that he is better than Garcia and Burnett, but knocking Hughes out of this rotation is not for me.

Hughes is a past 18 game winner, yes, but a lot of those wins simply came from being a Yankee.

Kuroda has a 3.45 ERA over 114 starts. He had a 3.07 ERA last year. Kuroda is fantastic, and could easily win 15, 16 for the Yankees. Kuroda's WAR over the last two seasons is higher both years than Hughes' best season.

Kuroda was pitching in Dodger Stadium against the NL West. Waving his ERA around is preposterous.

Kuroda has been completely consistent throughout his entire career. He puts up a WHIP of about 1.20, has a 3:1 K/BB ratio, allows less than a hit per inning, and gives you about 6 innings a start. He showed no drop off last year. I agree that his stats will take a bit of a hit going to the AL in a tougher division, but he should still be a solid back of the rotation starter who will eat innings and win 12-15 games. Why exactly do you think Kuroda is going to get lit up like a Christmas tree next year?

The NL West lineups are terrible compared to the AL East's. The NL West has three fantastic pitchers parks - including LA. The AL West has superior offenses and four parks that generally favor the hitter. His stuff is not good enough to get the strikeouts needed to be successful in that division. He was worth 2.4 fWAR last year - I'd expect at least a drop of a win to a win and a half - maybe more. I don't want to hear about pitcher wins - completely irrelevant.[/quote:2jo65khj]

How much run support win he get when compared to his old team? Will this equal a longer leash? Did the NYY signed him to win games or have a great BS sabermetrics stat line?[/quote:2jo65khj]

I think they signed him to pitch well, something that a "BS sabermetrics stat line" will indicate.

If I pitch 9 innings and give up 1 unearned run and take a loss, is that a better or worse performance than if I pitch 5 innings, give up 11 runs and get a win? Pitcher wins are a joke and the fact that they're being used as evidence of pitcher performance is embarrassing.