Yes Folks, This Card Does In Fact Exist

[Adamsince1981]

[quote="ru4scuba":3shkn7p5][quote="Jaypers":3shkn7p5]This is the very first one of these I've ever seen anywhere - either on eBay, or on the box break boards. Brian has confirmed that it's shortprinted, but won't tell me specifics. It isn't even priced in Beckett.

So are you saying there are less of them than the card is serial numbered to?

That is exactly what he said and that it was confirmed by the owner of the company that produced the card. Not sure how you are confused.

Why? Because there is a serial number on it. Normally when a card is short printed there isn't a serial number on it.

Did you ever think that maybe they were printed for Hosmer to sign, and he didn't sign them all for some reason? Thus, they inserted what they got back and later on would/might state the actual run, or state it is indeed an SP.

I mean, this isn't hard stuff here folks. We have seen cases of this from Topps, UD, and Donruss.

I realize this is a Razor thread, but I don't understand why everyone is being so snappy? I asked for clarification to what Jaypers said. I'd expect that type of response i got from Adam because of who he is but I don't need it from anyone else.[/quote:3shkn7p5]

I agree, it's pretty clear why there would be confusion when a card that is #'d out of 199 would for some reason be termed "short-printed" - it defies logic. One would think, and rightfully so, that the numbering implies the print run, but when that suddenly isn't the case and the actual run becomes "short-printed" and seemingly now incalculable, it's easy to understand why people might have a problem with this...[/quote:3shkn7p5]

...only for dumb people.

 

[ru4scuba]

I agree, it's pretty clear why there would be confusion when a card that is #'d out of 199 would for some reason be termed "short-printed" - it defies logic. One would think, and rightfully so, that the numbering implies the print run, but when that suddenly isn't the case and the actual run becomes "short-printed" and seemingly now incalculable, it's easy to understand why people might have a problem with this...

...only for dumb people.

Can you be any more childish?

 

[Ty Hope]

 

[JEA2880]

...only for dumb people.

Says the Troy Tulowitzki collector

 

[nurvanna]

I agree, it's pretty clear why there would be confusion when a card that is #'d out of 199 would for some reason be termed "short-printed" - it defies logic. One would think, and rightfully so, that the numbering implies the print run, but when that suddenly isn't the case and the actual run becomes "short-printed" and seemingly now incalculable, it's easy to understand why people might have a problem with this...

not that i really care about the card, however this is a very well thought out and helpful response. and for that, you were thanked!

 

[Adamsince1981]

I agree, it's pretty clear why there would be confusion when a card that is #'d out of 199 would for some reason be termed "short-printed" - it defies logic. One would think, and rightfully so, that the numbering implies the print run, but when that suddenly isn't the case and the actual run becomes "short-printed" and seemingly now incalculable, it's easy to understand why people might have a problem with this...

...only for dumb people.

Can you be any more childish?

I don't know, I quickly figured out Jaypers little riddle....errrr, easily understood post on a short print.

 

[NECpilgrims8]

[quote="Jaypers":askp7pdm]This is the very first one of these I've ever seen anywhere - either on eBay, or on the box break boards. Brian has confirmed that it's shortprinted, but won't tell me specifics. It isn't even priced in Beckett.

So are you saying there are less of them than the card is serial numbered to?

That is exactly what he said and that it was confirmed by the owner of the company that produced the card. Not sure how you are confused.

Why? Because there is a serial number on it. Normally when a card is short printed there isn't a serial number on it.

Did you ever think that maybe they were printed for Hosmer to sign, and he didn't sign them all for some reason? Thus, they inserted what they got back and later on would/might state the actual run, or state it is indeed an SP.

I mean, this isn't hard stuff here folks. We have seen cases of this from Topps, UD, and Donruss.

I realize this is a Razor thread, but I don't understand why everyone is being so snappy? I asked for clarification to what Jaypers said. I'd expect that type of response i got from Adam because of who he is but I don't need it from anyone else.[/quote:askp7pdm]

Excuse me? You expect that type of response from me? What are you talking about?

Second, yes I quoted your reply, but that doesn't mean it was directed at you specifically. I just don't understand how this is such a hard thing to grasp.

- 199 total cards were printed and sent/given to Hosmer to sign.
- Hosmer doesn't sign them all for whatever reason - some are damaged (by him or in production), he didn't want to sign the rest, no time, whatever.
- The signed copies were inserted into the product to ensure the card would indeed exist.
- BG states that it is indeed a short print when inquired about it.

Do I really need to go find you examples from Topps, Donruss, and UD?

 

[ChasHawk]

I think maybe decaf for you from now on :lol:
I got the distinct impression that he was referring to Adamsince1981

[quote="ru4scuba":1dtllmfb][quote="Jaypers":1dtllmfb]This is the very first one of these I've ever seen anywhere - either on eBay, or on the box break boards. Brian has confirmed that it's shortprinted, but won't tell me specifics. It isn't even priced in Beckett.

So are you saying there are less of them than the card is serial numbered to?

That is exactly what he said and that it was confirmed by the owner of the company that produced the card. Not sure how you are confused.

Why? Because there is a serial number on it. Normally when a card is short printed there isn't a serial number on it.

Did you ever think that maybe they were printed for Hosmer to sign, and he didn't sign them all for some reason? Thus, they inserted what they got back and later on would/might state the actual run, or state it is indeed an SP.

I mean, this isn't hard stuff here folks. We have seen cases of this from Topps, UD, and Donruss.

I realize this is a Razor thread, but I don't understand why everyone is being so snappy? I asked for clarification to what Jaypers said. I'd expect that type of response i got from Adam because of who he is but I don't need it from anyone else.[/quote:1dtllmfb]

Excuse me? You expect that type of response from me? What are you talking about?

Second, yes I quoted your reply, but that doesn't mean it was directed at you specifically. I just don't understand how this is such a hard thing to grasp.

- 199 total cards were printed and sent/given to Hosmer to sign.
- Hosmer doesn't sign them all for whatever reason - some are damaged (by him or in production), he didn't want to sign the rest, no time, whatever.
- The signed copies were inserted into the product to ensure the card would indeed exist.
- BG states that it is indeed a short print when inquired about it.

Do I really need to go find you examples from Topps, Donruss, and UD?[/quote:1dtllmfb]

 

[miguelcabrera]

the dual adam conspiracy

 

[NECpilgrims8]

I think maybe decaf for you from now on :lol:
I got the distinct impression that he was referring to Adamsince1981

[quote="Adamsince1981":2iw35i5a][quote="ru4scuba":2iw35i5a][quote="Jaypers":2iw35i5a]This is the very first one of these I've ever seen anywhere - either on eBay, or on the box break boards. Brian has confirmed that it's shortprinted, but won't tell me specifics. It isn't even priced in Beckett.

So are you saying there are less of them than the card is serial numbered to?

That is exactly what he said and that it was confirmed by the owner of the company that produced the card. Not sure how you are confused.

Why? Because there is a serial number on it. Normally when a card is short printed there isn't a serial number on it.

Did you ever think that maybe they were printed for Hosmer to sign, and he didn't sign them all for some reason? Thus, they inserted what they got back and later on would/might state the actual run, or state it is indeed an SP.

I mean, this isn't hard stuff here folks. We have seen cases of this from Topps, UD, and Donruss.

I realize this is a Razor thread, but I don't understand why everyone is being so snappy? I asked for clarification to what Jaypers said. I'd expect that type of response i got from Adam because of who he is but I don't need it from anyone else.[/quote:2iw35i5a]

Excuse me? You expect that type of response from me? What are you talking about?

Second, yes I quoted your reply, but that doesn't mean it was directed at you specifically. I just don't understand how this is such a hard thing to grasp.

- 199 total cards were printed and sent/given to Hosmer to sign.
- Hosmer doesn't sign them all for whatever reason - some are damaged (by him or in production), he didn't want to sign the rest, no time, whatever.
- The signed copies were inserted into the product to ensure the card would indeed exist.
- BG states that it is indeed a short print when inquired about it.

Do I really need to go find you examples from Topps, Donruss, and UD?[/quote:2iw35i5a][/quote:2iw35i5a]

Well, my name is Adam and most people know that. If it wasn't meant towards me then I apologize. It just read that way to me.

 

[ru4scuba]

I realize this is a Razor thread, but I don't understand why everyone is being so snappy? I asked for clarification to what Jaypers said. I'd expect that type of response i got from Adam because of who he is but I don't need it from anyone else.

Excuse me? You expect that type of response from me? What are you talking about?

Second, yes I quoted your reply, but that doesn't mean it was directed at you specifically. I just don't understand how this is such a hard thing to grasp.

- 199 total cards were printed and sent/given to Hosmer to sign.
- Hosmer doesn't sign them all for whatever reason - some are damaged (by him or in production), he didn't want to sign the rest, no time, whatever.
- The signed copies were inserted into the product to ensure the card would indeed exist.
- BG states that it is indeed a short print when inquired about it.

Do I really need to go find you examples from Topps, Donruss, and UD?

Read it again, I said I'd expect that type of response from Adam and implied I wouldn't have expected it from you.

I never said I didn't understand what Jaypers was saying. If I recall correctly there was a base autograph of someone else that was short printed but this is the first time I've ever heard of one of the serial numbered cards being short. I was a little surprised that it has taken this long for this information to come out.

::facepalm::

 

[ru4scuba]

Well, my name is Adam and most people know that. If it wasn't meant towards me then I apologize. It just read that way to me.

I generally just refer to people on the board by their screen names. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[ChasHawk]

Plus if you look at the OP again, Jaypers really didn't elaborate beyond,
BG says SP - No further details. I can see how that might be confusing.

Besides, just because someone didn't fully understand and needed to ask a question,
what reason is there for all the venom around here this week?

I realize this is a Razor thread, but I don't understand why everyone is being so snappy? I asked for clarification to what Jaypers said. I'd expect that type of response i got from Adam because of who he is but I don't need it from anyone else.

Excuse me? You expect that type of response from me? What are you talking about?

Second, yes I quoted your reply, but that doesn't mean it was directed at you specifically. I just don't understand how this is such a hard thing to grasp.

- 199 total cards were printed and sent/given to Hosmer to sign.
- Hosmer doesn't sign them all for whatever reason - some are damaged (by him or in production), he didn't want to sign the rest, no time, whatever.
- The signed copies were inserted into the product to ensure the card would indeed exist.
- BG states that it is indeed a short print when inquired about it.

Do I really need to go find you examples from Topps, Donruss, and UD?

Read it again, I said I'd expect that type of response from Adam and implied I wouldn't have expected it from you.

I never said I didn't understand what Jaypers was saying. If I recall correctly there was a base autograph of someone else that was short printed but this is the first time I've ever heard of one of the serial numbered cards being short. I was a little surprised that it has taken this long for this information to come out.

::facepalm::

 

[Jaypers]

I realize this is a Razor thread, but I don't understand why everyone is being so snappy? I asked for clarification to what Jaypers said. I'd expect that type of response i got from Adam because of who he is but I don't need it from anyone else.

Excuse me? You expect that type of response from me? What are you talking about?

Second, yes I quoted your reply, but that doesn't mean it was directed at you specifically. I just don't understand how this is such a hard thing to grasp.

- 199 total cards were printed and sent/given to Hosmer to sign.
- Hosmer doesn't sign them all for whatever reason - some are damaged (by him or in production), he didn't want to sign the rest, no time, whatever.
- The signed copies were inserted into the product to ensure the card would indeed exist.
- BG states that it is indeed a short print when inquired about it.

Do I really need to go find you examples from Topps, Donruss, and UD?

Read it again, I said I'd expect that type of response from Adam and implied I wouldn't have expected it from you.

I never said I didn't understand what Jaypers was saying. If I recall correctly there was a base autograph of someone else that was short printed but this is the first time I've ever heard of one of the serial numbered cards being short. I was a little surprised that it has taken this long for this information to come out.

::facepalm::

I feel as though I'm trapped in an episode of Three's Company, where a simple misunderstanding leads to chaos. :lol:

The Hosmer was an unwritten and unknown SP to many people, but set builders and Beckett Magazine have actually known about this for some time now.

 

[A_Pharis]

Plus if you look at the OP again, Jaypers really didn't elaborate beyond,
BG says SP - No further details. I can see how that might be confusing.

Besides, just because someone didn't fully understand and needed to ask a question, what reason is there for all the venom around here this week?

One word -- elitism.

 

[ru4scuba]

Besides, just because someone didn't fully understand and needed to ask a question,
what reason is there for all the venom around here this week?

It's par for the course on Razor threads around here.

 

[Adamsince1981]

Besides, just because someone didn't fully understand and needed to ask a question,
what reason is there for all the venom around here this week?

It's par for the course on Razor threads around here.

There isn't/wasn't any venom or negativity in this thread and the fact that this is a Razor card makes no difference.

You simply asked "are there less of these" after Japers said, "These are short prints(there are less of them)."

You probably walk by people changing their tire and ask "did you have a flat."

 

[ru4scuba]

Besides, just because someone didn't fully understand and needed to ask a question,
what reason is there for all the venom around here this week?

It's par for the course on Razor threads around here.

There isn't/wasn't any venom or negativity in this thread and the fact that this is a Razor card makes no difference.

You simply asked "are there less of these" after Japers said, "These are short prints(there are less of them)."

You probably walk by people changing their tire and ask "did you have a flat."

Given your fanboy nature, I think it has everything to do with your childish behavior in this and every other Razor thread.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

This is the very first one of these I've ever seen anywhere - either on eBay, or on the box break boards. Brian has confirmed that it's shortprinted, but won't tell me specifics. It isn't even priced in Beckett.

So are you saying there are less of them than the card is serial numbered to?

That is exactly what he said and that it was confirmed by the owner of the company that produced the card. Not sure how you are confused.

What did Upper Deck say about it, specifically?

 

[Kutzy]

ITT: We learn that simple questions cannot be anwsered without people starting flame wars.