Yet more fakes...

[dinicon]

Just another RPA post. Isn't blackberrycards one of the IDs that Kevin Burge uses? Bad thing is, some of these autos look close. Rest assured, they are fake:

Wells [ebay:3fz4vnh1]250558001664[/ebay:3fz4vnh1]
Harvin [ebay:3fz4vnh1]250558001409[/ebay:3fz4vnh1]
Wallace [ebay:3fz4vnh1]250555678804[/ebay:3fz4vnh1]
Sanchez [ebay:3fz4vnh1]260530465292[/ebay:3fz4vnh1]
Moreno [ebay:3fz4vnh1]250555678602[/ebay:3fz4vnh1] (nice thing about Moreno, his auto is SO unique, these guys can't pull it off)
Nicks [ebay:3fz4vnh1]260530465103[/ebay:3fz4vnh1]

Ehh, there are loads more. Redundant post I guess. Wish I knew someone in the FBI. These busts would be so easy...

 

[CollectorsCorner]

idk...

 

[allstars]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0524371749

that payton looks suspect to me

 

[Card Magnet]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260524371749

that payton looks suspect to me

Of course it does, it's authenticated by ***. They have helped Burge flood the market with blatantly fake autos recently. I hope their company goes bankrupt, along with Burge.

 

[Gellman]

What is scary is that those are pretty much indistinguishable for the average collector. Burge can lick my ass after a watery ****.

 

[allstars]

Im just amazed that I see so many auto dealers on Ebay selling complete fakes, lots of them, yet they have super feedback ratings. People are that naive? It's almost comical, but at the same time very sad.

Check out seller aacsautographs for instance. I don't think this guy handles any legitimate items, yet a 5-figure rating & 99.5% positive. He even runs a bogus autograph auction site of his own:

http://www.aacsautographs.com/

This guy's making a mockery of the whole hobby.

 

[Crash Davis]

Just another RPA post. Isn't blackberrycards one of the IDs that Kevin Burge uses? Bad thing is, some of these autos look close. Rest assured, they are fake:

Wells [ebay:2dqopf4o]250558001664[/ebay:2dqopf4o]
Harvin [ebay:2dqopf4o]250558001409[/ebay:2dqopf4o]
Wallace [ebay:2dqopf4o]250555678804[/ebay:2dqopf4o]
Sanchez [ebay:2dqopf4o]260530465292[/ebay:2dqopf4o]
Moreno [ebay:2dqopf4o]250555678602[/ebay:2dqopf4o] (nice thing about Moreno, his auto is SO unique, these guys can't pull it off)
Nicks [ebay:2dqopf4o]260530465103[/ebay:2dqopf4o]

Ehh, there are loads more. Redundant post I guess. Wish I knew someone in the FBI. These busts would be so easy...

Why do you think they are fake? Because a userid allegedly owned and/or operated by Kevin Burge is selling them?

Those cards look 100% real to me. I checked closed auctions. I checked auctions of cards issued by other manufacturers. They still look real.

Kevin Burge is a tool - we know this; however, just because he, or one of his alleged cronies, is selling a card, or a series of cards, doesn't mean that the card(s) are fake.

These players signed 1,000s of cards during the Rookie Premiere photo shoot. You think that if you signed your name 1,000s of times in one sitting your signature would vary a little bit? I bet it would.

It really irks me that people feel the need to state their opinion as fact. You have no definitive proof that these cards are forgeries. What are your qualifications to back up your statement: "...rest assured, they are fake..."

And if you had a friend in the FBI, he'd probably ask you the same thing. What proof do you have that these are fake other than the almost-universal opinion that Kevin Burge is a dbag? Just because somebody is a shady-**** doesn't mean that every single card they sell is fake.

I'm not sure who's worse sometimes - the fakers themselves or the people who accuse the fakers of being fakers on cards that are obviously not fakes.

 

[Gellman]

I'm not sure who's worse sometimes - the fakers themselves or the people who accuse the fakers of being fakers on cards that are obviously not fakes.

They bring it on themselves, we have every right to question them. If they didnt want the suspicion, they shouldnt have sold those ridiculous fakes over the years. Besides, these are not obviously real in any way. Most of these players have very easy sigs to replicate.

 

[cartersprings]

Isn't this the same turd (Burge) that was selling all those fake Sidney Rice RP auto's when he was on fire? He sold more fake red auto's than the number of legit ones even produced (card was /10), not to mention the signatures were way off.

 

[Crash Davis]

I'm not sure who's worse sometimes - the fakers themselves or the people who accuse the fakers of being fakers on cards that are obviously not fakes.

They bring it on themselves, we have every right to question them. If they didnt want the suspicion, they shouldnt have sold those ridiculous fakes over the years. Besides, these are not obviously real in any way. Most of these players have very easy sigs to replicate.

Make no mistake - I'm not standing up for the guy, and I'm not disputing your right to question him or his "business" practices; however, to state as fact that these cards, without proof, are fake is irresponsible and could be considered libelous.

The guy is known for allegedly selling fake and/or altered cards, but that doesn't make every single card he sells fake and/or altered. The proof is evident with respect to Burge on many occassions (e.g., photo evidence of doctored cards based on serial-numbers, etc.); however, claiming that every card is fake does more damage than good for the hobby, especially when the poster says "these are all close...but rest assured, they are fakes..."

I mean, how does he know they are fakes? Because Burge sold em?

Gellman, as a self-proclaimed "investigative reporter," you should know that jumping to conclusions and posting that cards are fake when you have no definitive proof is dangerous water to tread. Like the Triple Threads Albert Pujols alleged fakes which were obviously not fake.

Irrespective of my feelings for Burge, the cards look legit and I'm not convinced that they are fakes just because he sold them. Having said that, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and by no way am I emphatically stating that my opinion is fact like so many other posters who are just as clueless as everybody else, yet who claim to be experts.

It's one thing to have a healthy discussion, but it's another to state something as fact because of an obvious bias.

 

[Sportsnutcards]

Blackberry cards is not Kevin Burge and those cards are not fake... They just in all probability came out the back door.

 

[Gellman]

[quote="Crash Davis":3u6gcwgn]I'm not sure who's worse sometimes - the fakers themselves or the people who accuse the fakers of being fakers on cards that are obviously not fakes.

They bring it on themselves, we have every right to question them. If they didnt want the suspicion, they shouldnt have sold those ridiculous fakes over the years. Besides, these are not obviously real in any way. Most of these players have very easy sigs to replicate.

Make no mistake - I'm not standing up for the guy, and I'm not disputing your right to question him or his "business" practices; however, to state as fact that these cards, without proof, are fake is irresponsible and could be considered libelous.

The guy is known for allegedly selling fake and/or altered cards, but that doesn't make every single card he sells fake and/or altered. The proof is evident with respect to Burge on many occassions (e.g., photo evidence of doctored cards based on serial-numbers, etc.); however, claiming that every card is fake does more damage than good for the hobby, especially when the poster says "these are all close...but rest assured, they are fakes..."

I mean, how does he know they are fakes? Because Burge sold em?

Gellman, as a self-proclaimed "investigative reporter," you should know that jumping to conclusions and posting that cards are fake when you have no definitive proof is dangerous water to tread. Like the Triple Threads Albert Pujols alleged fakes which were obviously not fake.

Irrespective of my feelings for Burge, the cards look legit and I'm not convinced that they are fakes just because he sold them. Having said that, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and by no way am I emphatically stating that my opinion is fact like so many other posters who are just as clueless as everybody else, yet who claim to be experts.

It's one thing to have a healthy discussion, but it's another to state something as fact because of an obvious bias.[/quote:3u6gcwgn]

I understand what you are saying, but I have been watching Blackberrycards for a few months now. He was among the original users to post RPA fakes, therefore making this more than likely to be a problem. Three separate users have confirmed the relationship between this guy and burge. When you sell obvious fakes, especially of cards that have been faked ad nauseum, as well as being associated with Burge, I dont think I can trust any items that are similar. This is especially true when you are selling as many as he is at the moment.

Here is a link to a post I did on this guy a while ago. Please tell me how you can trust a guy that sells cards like this.

SCU - This Could Be The Worst Fake in History

At the time, he had quite a few just like this.

 

[dinicon]

I suppose in the future I will just keep my opinions to myself. If you think those cards are '100% real', then go for it. I am not an expert, but I spend quite a bit of my free time examining these exacts autos. I am very comfortable reviewing them and judging whether or not I would spend my money on them based on how they look compared to the hundreds I've acquired, and based on the known history of the individuals putting them up for sale.

The posts I've made, take em or leave em. I only put the information up there to prevent people from being taken advantage of. I don't care if you believe my skepticism or think it's 'libelous' (which is extremely humorous, as if a known forger would turn to the law to prevent things being posted on a message board about them).

In the end, you can bash what I wrote all you want. If you reviewed those autos, and still don't see a problem...you failed.

 

[Sportsnutcards]

So we fail if we don't agree with you? If you are so convinced, why don't you tell us exactly why you believe the above autographs are fake?

 

[Crash Davis]

I suppose in the future I will just keep my opinions to myself. If you think those cards are '100% real', then go for it. I am not an expert, but I spend quite a bit of my free time examining these exacts autos. I am very comfortable reviewing them and judging whether or not I would spend my money on them based on how they look compared to the hundreds I've acquired, and based on the known history of the individuals putting them up for sale.

The posts I've made, take em or leave em. I only put the information up there to prevent people from being taken advantage of. I don't care if you believe my skepticism or think it's 'libelous' (which is extremely humorous, as if a known forger would turn to the law to prevent things being posted on a message board about them).

In the end, you can bash what I wrote all you want. If you reviewed those autos, and still don't see a problem...you failed.

You've provided no proof other than the name of the peddler.

I'm not disagreeing with you that the seller may be a dbag, but I'm just not seeing how you can state, beyond a reasonable doubt, that these cards are forged.

Show these signatures side-by-side with a card you believe to be authentic.

After showing your side-by-side photographic evidence, let's see if I "failed."

And for the record - I'm not trying to be snide or argumentative. We're having a healthy discussion.

 

[cgilmo]

Real or not, I avoid auctions that I know are Burge auctions.

 

[mstng99tim]

I suppose in the future I will just keep my opinions to myself. If you think those cards are '100% real', then go for it. I am not an expert, but I spend quite a bit of my free time examining these exacts autos. I am very comfortable reviewing them and judging whether or not I would spend my money on them based on how they look compared to the hundreds I've acquired, and based on the known history of the individuals putting them up for sale.

The posts I've made, take em or leave em. I only put the information up there to prevent people from being taken advantage of. I don't care if you believe my skepticism or think it's 'libelous' (which is extremely humorous, as if a known forger would turn to the law to prevent things being posted on a message board about them).

In the end, you can bash what I wrote all you want. If you reviewed those autos, and still don't see a problem...you failed.

This Sanchez auto look almost identical to the one you called fake.

http://cgi.ebay.com/09-Leaf-Limited-Phe ... 1e59de88fd

So PLEASE, tell me how the Sanchez you posted looks fake to you???

 

[allstars]

This Sanchez auto look almost identical to the one you called fake.

http://cgi.ebay.com/09-Leaf-Limited-Phe ... 1e59de88fd

So PLEASE, tell me how the Sanchez you posted looks fake to you???

It also looks just like the one currently on the FCB homepage (contenders).

 

[wheeler281]

I am with Tim and a couple others.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Just another RPA post. Isn't blackberrycards one of the IDs that Kevin Burge uses? Bad thing is, some of these autos look close. Rest assured, they are fake:

Wells [ebay:1hqbffr7]250558001664[/ebay:1hqbffr7]
Harvin [ebay:1hqbffr7]250558001409[/ebay:1hqbffr7]
Wallace [ebay:1hqbffr7]250555678804[/ebay:1hqbffr7]
Sanchez [ebay:1hqbffr7]260530465292[/ebay:1hqbffr7]
Moreno [ebay:1hqbffr7]250555678602[/ebay:1hqbffr7] (nice thing about Moreno, his auto is SO unique, these guys can't pull it off)
Nicks [ebay:1hqbffr7]260530465103[/ebay:1hqbffr7]

Ehh, there are loads more. Redundant post I guess. Wish I knew someone in the FBI. These busts would be so easy...

seriously - you need to get a clue about fake rookie shoots - 2009s are NOT FAKED AT ALL , 08s-07s , 03s (duals) some are and 01s ALOT are. please educate yourself before making a stupid post like this. thus it will de-value the cards if people see a post like this, when its not true at all. Just because a supposed " shady seller" has some does not mean they are fake.

http://cgi.ebay.com/TODD-HEAP-2001-TOPP ... 1e59d8e364

todd heap was Never at the 01 rookie photo shoot !

http://cgi.ebay.com/REGGIE-WAYNE-2001-T ... 1c0f29761a

reggie wayne - Awful fake card