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Youkilis wants DH in (NL Parks) Interleague and World Series
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hoopster3977
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Typical Red Sox fans whinning. Just shut the frack up Youk.ALL_THE_HYPE said:
RL24
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The NL is boring and stupid. Intentionally walk the 8th batter to get to the pitcher. That's not a "strategy" it's boring and stupid.
I used to appreciate the fact that the leagues had different rules, and thought it was neat to go by the home teams rules. That's because it was all just a theory to me, I hadn't actually spent much time watching games and comparing the differences. It seems like every game I used to watch was either an Indians game, a game where Sabathia was pitching, or both. Since I got this MLB.tv package I've actually been watching baseball just because I'm bored. I've discovered that watching NL games does not cure my boredom, it increases it.
Now, I'm the kind of guy that wants everybody to be happy. For example, some people hated DLP and celebrated when they lost their license. I loved DLP, and mostly for the same reasons other people hated it. Too many parallels of the same card. I like to get #24/25, #24/50, #24/75, #024/100 & #024/250. What a sweet set! I have like 30 different Rickey Sportscasters that are #24/xx. It's what makes me happy, it's how I like to collect. So I understand that different people like different things, and I want everybody to be happy.
Some people apparently like to watch boring/stupid baseball. More power to them. They should just leave the rules alone. NL fans couldn't handle the excitement a DH would bring them.
tl;dr- The NL is boring and stupid. Some people like that.
I used to appreciate the fact that the leagues had different rules, and thought it was neat to go by the home teams rules. That's because it was all just a theory to me, I hadn't actually spent much time watching games and comparing the differences. It seems like every game I used to watch was either an Indians game, a game where Sabathia was pitching, or both. Since I got this MLB.tv package I've actually been watching baseball just because I'm bored. I've discovered that watching NL games does not cure my boredom, it increases it.
Now, I'm the kind of guy that wants everybody to be happy. For example, some people hated DLP and celebrated when they lost their license. I loved DLP, and mostly for the same reasons other people hated it. Too many parallels of the same card. I like to get #24/25, #24/50, #24/75, #024/100 & #024/250. What a sweet set! I have like 30 different Rickey Sportscasters that are #24/xx. It's what makes me happy, it's how I like to collect. So I understand that different people like different things, and I want everybody to be happy.
Some people apparently like to watch boring/stupid baseball. More power to them. They should just leave the rules alone. NL fans couldn't handle the excitement a DH would bring them.
tl;dr- The NL is boring and stupid. Some people like that.
Ryan The Orange
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And NL organizations build their teams without a DH. When they have to play in an AL park, they have to put a backup in.
CAROLINA BOSOX
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Another Red Sox vs Yankees thread. What a surprise from the OP.
Bob Loblaw
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Cole Hamels, Cliff Lee, Vance Worley and Joe Blanton -- 4 Phillies starting pitchers -- are a combined 20 for 92 -- a combined .217 batting average.
That's not horrible.
That's not horrible.
nosterbor
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al pitchers at the plate,look like nba players fighting.wiff wiff wiff wiff
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rebelpawn
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vwnut13 said:
Because all you do is bash the Red Sox and say how great the Yankees are.
WE ALL KNOW YOU LOVE THE YANKEES AND HATE THE RED SOX.
Do you really need to have nearly every thread you start being anti Red Sox?
In this case, no you didn't actually mention the Yankees, but we all know why you make posts like this, we aren't as stupid as you'd like to believe we are.
Ask yourself this, had any member on the Yankees said the said the same thing would you have posted it?
Yeah didn't think so
HPC
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I am in favor of the DH.
I think it is pointless to let a pitcher bat because 99% of them cant hit anyway.
The purists like to argue that "we shouldnt change it because its been that way for how many years?" Yeah, well, we also gave lobotomies to people with severe depression because we had done it that way for years. (Thanks NBC for that line)
However, Youk just presented his idea in the wrong way and made himself look like a crybaby.
I think it is pointless to let a pitcher bat because 99% of them cant hit anyway.
The purists like to argue that "we shouldnt change it because its been that way for how many years?" Yeah, well, we also gave lobotomies to people with severe depression because we had done it that way for years. (Thanks NBC for that line)
However, Youk just presented his idea in the wrong way and made himself look like a crybaby.
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RL24 said:
I will just say it, this is one of the most ignorant posts I have ever read on fcb.
The NL is boring and the AL is exciting? Really? Do you also believe it is harder to manage in the AL?
The NL actually bunts, hits and runs, uses their bench players, makes double switches, has pitchers that are actually asked to be complete baseball players and ask managers to actually THINK!
That can"t possibly be nearly as exciting as watching a 38 fat slow out of shape DH sluggishly meander around the bases from time to time and add zero other value to his team, can it? Ehhhhh. I never thought I would read the words you spewed....almost as idiotic as the things that came out of rickey's henderson's 3rd person pimping of himself.
CAROLINA BOSOX
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vwnut13 said:
Why would you be on the Red Sox website? Looking for material to use? Youk said what alot pf people have said about the DH in National league parks, nothing new. I don't see how this is "whining". I guess I may be naive but I didn't know Youk had a history of whining the only thing he ever did was get thrown down by Porcello. Vwnut, on the other hand, has a history of bashing the Sox and making sweet love to the Yankees whenever the chance presents itself.
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ballerskrip said:
I have to agree with skrip here.
Having one of the nine players be a better hitter and removing the pitcher from the order does not cause enough difference that there can actually be one league that's exciting and the other completely boring. That's ridiculous. And the NL brings a whole new montage of strategy to the game, as mentioned above.
If you'd rather see the AL where there's one more true hitter in the lineup rather than the NL style of play where there's generally more strategy, fine, but to say that that makes the NL boring but the AL is still entertaining? Come on.
If anything, the DH should be used in NL parks. DH's are often hitters who don't or can't play the field effectively any longer, due to age or simple ability, but can still hit. To be able to hit in an NL park, some of which they might never have been on the field, is a bonus for the fans in those parks. Seeing Edgar Martinez, Frank Thomas, or David Ortiz hit in an NL park would be a treat for those who ordinarily might never see them.
They should unify the rules, though. I don't have strong feelings on which way it should go, but I'm a 51% purist, so having pitchers hit full-time would be my choice. At the very least, playing by one set of rules would be beneficial because it would end debates like this one.
It is a bit like playing football, where the AFC plays by NFL rules and the NFC plays by CFL rules with a 110-yard field and punting on 3rd down, and then when the Super Bowl comes around, you go by whichever side won the Pro Bowl.
They should unify the rules, though. I don't have strong feelings on which way it should go, but I'm a 51% purist, so having pitchers hit full-time would be my choice. At the very least, playing by one set of rules would be beneficial because it would end debates like this one.
It is a bit like playing football, where the AFC plays by NFL rules and the NFC plays by CFL rules with a 110-yard field and punting on 3rd down, and then when the Super Bowl comes around, you go by whichever side won the Pro Bowl.
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ballerskrip said:
I would say you haven't read many posts on FCB. My post was about walking the 8th batter to get to the 9th batter. To me, that's boring and stupid. I noted that it was my opinion, that I understood other people had different opinions, and that they are entitled to their opinion. I made a joke about NL fans not being able to hand the excitement of a DH. That covers the entirety of my post. Could that really be one of the most ignorant posts you have ever read on fcb? And.... "read the words you spewed." I'm actually a little worried about ya skrip. Do you get this fired up about all issues? Or just the DH? I can't imagine what your blood pressure looks like. :lol:
ballerskrip said:
So what you're saying is the AL is boring because the players catch the ball with their gloves, but the NL is thrilling because they try to catch it in their mouths? I can dig it. That actually was a pretty exciting play. (Sucks spreading the quotes out like this, but what Rickey Henderson has to do with anything is way beyond me)...
Managing in the NL is hard, you have an inferior set of players to use. And I'm sure sometimes it's a tough decision, do I pitch to the 8th batter since the bases are empty? Nah, just walk him and get to the easy out.
I should mention that I am completely exaggerating about this stuff. I think baseball is awesome, and fun to watch. In the WS last year, I didn't really notice a difference in the level of excitement between the AL & NL parks. For some reason though, this year the NL is bugging me. I've seen the old walk hitter 8 to get to hitter 9 routine one too many times, I guess. To me, that's not strategy, it's just being a *****. I am not against intentionally walking 1 player to get to another. I accept that it's part of a game. It's just that lately, it seems to be happening more and more (I'm sure it's just when I'm watching) to get to the pitcher. When they walk #4 to get to #5, I get it. #5 has a pretty good chance of getting a hit though, closer to 1 in 3 than 1 in 5. The pitcher has almost no chance of getting a hit, a really good hitting pitcher will get 1 hit in 5 tries. When they give out a walk to load the bases... that's strategy. You might have to do that and bring up the other team's clean up hitter, but now that the bases are loaded you can get the force at home. The game is on the line. But their best hitter is up. Now that's excitement!!
ballerskrip said:
I should take this opportunity to insult you for your ignorance. You really think managers in the AL don't think? They probably just got their jobs because they are handsome and know the right people. Are you an idiot!?!?!?!? is what I'm temped to say, but I'm not an idiot, and I understand that you weren't being 100% literal with your post and may have been exaggerating a little. I hope you really think about that, and learn how to do it.
Strategy... while it's fun seeing things like bunts, hits and runs, usage of bench players, double switches, you can see them all in the AL. There are lots of differences though. In the AL, you can keep your starting pitcher in until he's done pitching. In the NL, you can keep him in until it's time to pinch hit for him. As a fan, I would like to see the best players possible. Otherwise I'd just cruise up the road to the AAA game. In the AL, the best players play the majority of the game. In the NL, you get to see half a game with good players, and half a game with bench players. Fun for some, I'm sure, but not for me.
Maybe you like to see how smart a manager can be while shifting around their AAA/AAAA players. I honestly don't watch baseball to see who the best manager is, I'm watching the players' performance. I'm not trying to hate, I understand there are people who are into what the managers are doing. I just don't get. For example, if manager A uses player B to hit for player C... if player B gets a hit, the manager is a genius. If player B does not get a hit, the manager is an idiot. I have always placed the blame/credit for the player's failure/success on the player, not the manager. Now, when it gets late in the game, the manager's previous decisions become really important. Is he out of AAAA players and only has AAA players left on the bench? Or only that AA guy? Or... nobody? Like I say, fun for some, boring to me.
As for your argument about "complete baseball players". Really? My favorite example was* Clayton Kershaw, who after 3 seasons and 171 PAs was hitting .076 and his OBP was .103! Your argument is that this guy is a "complete baseball player"? He tries to be one, but he fails miserably. They shouldn't make him go out there and fail. I'm sure there are people who enjoy seeing that, but not me!
*He is having an amazing year at the plate, hitting .297, and it's brought his career to .124. Impressive! Still a pretty good example of how laughable it is to call a pitcher a "complete baseball player" just because you drag him out there so he can strike out a couple times a game.
I used google to find Brian Moehler though, the complete baseball player. Moehler has a career .045 batting average over 14 seasons and 232 trips to the plate. 9 hits.
ballerskrip said:
Again, I'm tempted to call you an idiot, but will refrain. I'm sure you're exaggerating about how every team has a fat slow out of shape DH. In reality, a couple teams have that, just like a couple teams in the NL have "complete players" who can pitch and hit competently. "Zero other value." Are you sure? You seem to have the view that something is always better than nothing. This is not always the case (see ******). The fact that the DH does not go out into the field and commit countless errors is a benifit to the team. It adds value. The pitcher who sits on the bench is adding more value to his team by not striking out or worst still, hitting into a double play.
tl;dr - Just because you play offense, doesn't make you a complete player if you're batting .045. Skrip's passion for the DH issue gives him high blood pressure. No ****** is better than some ******. Rickey never tried to catch a throw in his teeth. Read it!!
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The DH sucks! It was a F'n gimmick and should be done away with. If you can't play the field you shouldn't play the game. Pitchers in the NL have to hit and so should the pitchers in the AL.
The people that want the DH in the NL are the same ones that want replay on every play and expanded playoffs so we can be like basketball and have ****** teams make the playoffs every year. If the rules to this game don't stop "evolving" baseball is going to be a joke... like soccer.
The people that want the DH in the NL are the same ones that want replay on every play and expanded playoffs so we can be like basketball and have ****** teams make the playoffs every year. If the rules to this game don't stop "evolving" baseball is going to be a joke... like soccer.
leatherman
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I just want it to be the same in both leagues. I would prefer to have pitchers bat, but if more people want the DH, then let's go with the DH and be done with it. Having it two ways just doesn't make sense.
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RL24
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Mozzie22 said:
Soccer is a joke because it's soccer and we're in America. In other countries, it is NOT a joke. More like a religion. Check it out... soccer changed its rules or something? Who knew? They snuck it right past me...
I'm against expanded playoffs. I think that they should use the replay. Why would they use it on every play? That doesn't make sense. There are like 2-3 close calls in a game. Give each manager 1 challenge at the very least. If this rule was around, Armando Galarraga would have thrown a no hitter, and Jim Joyce wouldn't have to feel like a goat for the rest of his life. These are good things!
If you think about it, they should have the DH because of the break in play between offense and defense. This is the reason that football teams have different players. Basketball and Hockey wish they could use specialized defensive players, but their sports do not allow it due to the continuous action of the game. Football and Baseball are not like that. You stop the game and switch sides. They don't let QBs play defense, and they shouldn't make pitchers play offense. It's simple logic.
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RL24 said:Mozzie22 said:
Soccer is a joke because it's soccer and we're in America. In other countries, it is NOT a joke. More like a religion. Check it out... soccer changed its rules or something? Who knew? They snuck it right past me...
I'm against expanded playoffs. I think that they should use the replay. Why would they use it on every play? That doesn't make sense. There are like 2-3 close calls in a game. Give each manager 1 challenge at the very least. If this rule was around, Armando Galarraga would have thrown a no hitter, and Jim Joyce wouldn't have to feel like a goat for the rest of his life. These are good things!
If you think about it, they should have the DH because of the break in play between offense and defense. This is the reason that football teams have different players. Basketball and Hockey wish they could use specialized defensive players, but their sports do not allow it due to the continuous action of the game. Football and Baseball are not like that. You stop the game and switch sides. They don't let QBs play defense, and they shouldn't make pitchers play offense. It's simple logic.
First and most importantly, soccer is a joke regardless of which country it is being played. Just because other countries find it very important doesn't mean it still isn't a ridiculous sport. Secondly, football and baseball are worlds apart so it makes no sense to compare them but for years in football the defensive players also played offense. I still say it should be that way... can you imagine?
The DH sucks. It sucks because I say it does and I am the end all.
