Yu Darvish to Formally Ask to Be Posted

[mredsox89]

For as bad as Dice-k has been, and for two seasons he's been dreadful, and for as painful as his outings were over the past 5 years, to call him a complete bust is a little over the top. He posted three seasons at a combined WAR of just under 10 which is in the top 50 over the last 5 years combined. Obviously everyone was hoping for much, much more, and at the cost it was deservedly so.

He got the JD Drew treatment, but to the next level. He wasn't flashy whatsoever, but he has gotten results a lot of the time. I still stand that the 09 WBC destroyed his season in 09, which has effected him and his treatment since then.

Was he worth the $100M that it cost the Sox, no. Was he worth the $50M that was beyond the posting fee, potentially.

Disappointment, yes. Bust, meh. Will it scare off some teams from Darvish, very likely. Will it deter the usual high spenders, no, not even the Sox.

 

[braden]

C'mon Yankees.....get this guy. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/ ... um=twitter

You're a Rays fan and want their divisional rival to sign a top free agent?

 

[cgilmo]

My guesses


Texas

NYM

 

[SydBarrett]

Even though it would never happen, I would love to see him go to Seattle.

 

[madbull34]

When I saw him pitch in the World Baseball Classic he had flashes of brilliance, but was a little erratic on controlling his fastball. I thought Iwakuma had better stuff. If he decides to come over hope he does well. Another player for me to collect.

 

[Jaypers]

C'mon Yankees.....get this guy. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/ ... um=twitter

You're a Rays fan and want their divisional rival to sign a top free agent?

I'm also a prospector. Do I really need to explain to you the difference in his card values when comparing those two teams?

(And btw, even if the Yanks do sign him, I still like the Rays' rotation better. Assuming Moore will be part of it, of course.)

 

[nborton]

I think it's interesting that most of the pitchers from Japan have some success early, and then burn up. I wonder if it has to do with the difference in how US rotations are handled, and when you get work between starts.

 

[Wes]

Hideki Irabu, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Kosuke Fukudome, Kaz Matsui, Kaz Ishii...

See a trend? If not, I'll just go ahead and say it: Overhyped.

Ichiro, Nomo? And Daisuke isn't the bust everyone makes him out to be.

 

[jeff550]

Hideki Irabu, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Kosuke Fukudome, Kaz Matsui, Kaz Ishii...

See a trend? If not, I'll just go ahead and say it: Overhyped.

Ichiro, Nomo? And Daisuke isn't the bust everyone makes him out to be.

Kuroda hasnt been bad

 

[SeattleSports]

I said a couple years ago I wanted the M's to sign him as Ichiro's contract was running out, basically as Ichiro's replacement as the M's Japanese superstar, but I don't see that happening with the our crappy offense and stable of talented young pitchers at or near the big league level. I wouldn't be against it, though. Kinda rootin' for the Jays to land him, among the teams that have been mentioned.

I could still see it,

The M's have huge trade chips for bats in Paxton, Taijuan Walker, Campos and Pineda.

 

[Hallsgator]

Hideki Irabu, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Kosuke Fukudome, Kaz Matsui, Kaz Ishii...

See a trend? If not, I'll just go ahead and say it: Overhyped.

Ichiro, Nomo? And Daisuke isn't the bust everyone makes him out to be.

Yes he is. Red Sox paid over $100 million for him with the posting fee. He has a WAR of 9.6. A win is "worth" around $5 million, so right now he has a value of -$50 million. Unless he becomes a 6+ WAR pitcher the next couple of years, the Red Sox lost lots of money on that deal.

 

[NECpilgrims8]

Hideki Irabu, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Kosuke Fukudome, Kaz Matsui, Kaz Ishii...

See a trend? If not, I'll just go ahead and say it: Overhyped.

Ichiro, Nomo? And Daisuke isn't the bust everyone makes him out to be.

Yes he is. Red Sox paid over $100 million for him with the posting fee. He has a WAR of 9.6. A win is "worth" around $5 million, so right now he has a value of -$50 million. Unless he becomes a 6+ WAR pitcher the next couple of years, the Red Sox lost lots of money on that deal.

How do you intend to factor in the financial marketing gains, worldwide, that Dice-K mania brought to MLB and the Red Sox?

If the Red Sox gained in that aspect, they might actually be in the black, or close to it at this point.

Just saying.

 

[mredsox89]

So every single player who doesn't achieve a WAR value of more than the contract is a bust?

 

[Hallsgator]

So every single player who doesn't achieve a WAR value of more than the contract is a bust?

It's a loss in value to the team, so yes, speaking financially.

 

[Wes]

Hideki Irabu, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Kosuke Fukudome, Kaz Matsui, Kaz Ishii...

See a trend? If not, I'll just go ahead and say it: Overhyped.

Ichiro, Nomo? And Daisuke isn't the bust everyone makes him out to be.

Yes he is. Red Sox paid over $100 million for him with the posting fee. He has a WAR of 9.6. A win is "worth" around $5 million, so right now he has a value of -$50 million. Unless he becomes a 6+ WAR pitcher the next couple of years, the Red Sox lost lots of money on that deal.

How do you intend to factor in the financial marketing gains, worldwide, that Dice-K mania brought to MLB and the Red Sox?

If the Red Sox gained in that aspect, they might actually be in the black, or close to it at this point.

Just saying.

This can't be ignored. He had the #2 most sold jersey in 2009. http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... tml?cat=14

 

[morgoth]

Hideki Irabu, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Kosuke Fukudome, Kaz Matsui, Kaz Ishii...

See a trend? If not, I'll just go ahead and say it: Overhyped.

Ichiro, Nomo? And Daisuke isn't the bust everyone makes him out to be.

Yes he is. Red Sox paid over $100 million for him with the posting fee. He has a WAR of 9.6. A win is "worth" around $5 million, so right now he has a value of -$50 million. Unless he becomes a 6+ WAR pitcher the next couple of years, the Red Sox lost lots of money on that deal.

How do you intend to factor in the financial marketing gains, worldwide, that Dice-K mania brought to MLB and the Red Sox?

If the Red Sox gained in that aspect, they might actually be in the black, or close to it at this point.

Just saying.

This can't be ignored. He had the #2 most sold jersey in 2009. http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... tml?cat=14

In terms of only baseball value, he was a bust given his contract amount. The amount "made" off his persona is not factored into any debate about performance. The Sox may have made some money or lost some who knows but in terms of a baseball performance deal it wasn't very good.

 

[mredsox89]

http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... tml?cat=14[/url]

In terms of only baseball value, he was a bust given his contract amount. The amount "made" off his persona is not factored into any debate about performance. The Sox may have made some money or lost some who knows but in terms of a baseball performance deal it wasn't very good.[/quote:3ikqm2jm]

But the amount they paid didn't only factor in baseball performance

 

[Jaypers]

Not the news I was hoping for.


Yu Darvish Links: Yankees, Jays, Rangers, Mariners
By Mark Polishuk [October 20, 2011 at 5:17pm CST]
Here's the latest on the Yu Darvish sweepstakes...

Brian Cashman told Wallace Matthews of ESPN New York that the Yankees scouted Darvish last season in Japan, but unsurprisingly didn't comment about whether or not the team would be interested in bidding for the right-hander.
Yankee management is unlikely to pay an expensive posting fee for Darvish given the club's spotty history with Japanese pitchers, reports Joel Sherman of the New York Post (Twitter link). For what's it worth, the "Yankees' scouts love Darvish." Sherman also believes the Rangers and Blue Jays are the favorites to land Darvish this winter.

The Mariners have scouted Darvish but, in the opinion of Larry Stone of the Seattle Times, the M's shouldn't make a bid since the team has so much young pitching coming up from the minors. Stone also points out that "the Mariners have not become the haven for Japanese players that was predicted by some" when Hiroshi Yamauchi became the club's principal owner.

 

[P_Manning 18]

Not the news I was hoping for.


Yu Darvish Links: Yankees, Jays, Rangers, Mariners
By Mark Polishuk [October 20, 2011 at 5:17pm CST]
Here's the latest on the Yu Darvish sweepstakes...

Brian Cashman told Wallace Matthews of ESPN New York that the Yankees scouted Darvish last season in Japan, but unsurprisingly didn't comment about whether or not the team would be interested in bidding for the right-hander.
Yankee management is unlikely to pay an expensive posting fee for Darvish given the club's spotty history with Japanese pitchers, reports Joel Sherman of the New York Post (Twitter link). For what's it worth, the "Yankees' scouts love Darvish." Sherman also believes the Rangers and Blue Jays are the favorites to land Darvish this winter.

The Mariners have scouted Darvish but, in the opinion of Larry Stone of the Seattle Times, the M's shouldn't make a bid since the team has so much young pitching coming up from the minors. Stone also points out that "the Mariners have not become the haven for Japanese players that was predicted by some" when Hiroshi Yamauchi became the club's principal owner.

If he came out saying he loved Yu Darvish and expects him to be a Yankee next season he'd just raise the price. I have a few Darvish cards... nothing huge... so I still have hope that he ends up with the Yankees.

 

[SydBarrett]

Not the news I was hoping for.


Yu Darvish Links: Yankees, Jays, Rangers, Mariners
By Mark Polishuk [October 20, 2011 at 5:17pm CST]
Here's the latest on the Yu Darvish sweepstakes...

Brian Cashman told Wallace Matthews of ESPN New York that the Yankees scouted Darvish last season in Japan, but unsurprisingly didn't comment about whether or not the team would be interested in bidding for the right-hander.
Yankee management is unlikely to pay an expensive posting fee for Darvish given the club's spotty history with Japanese pitchers, reports Joel Sherman of the New York Post (Twitter link). For what's it worth, the "Yankees' scouts love Darvish." Sherman also believes the Rangers and Blue Jays are the favorites to land Darvish this winter.

The Mariners have scouted Darvish but, in the opinion of Larry Stone of the Seattle Times, the M's shouldn't make a bid since the team has so much young pitching coming up from the minors. Stone also points out that "the Mariners have not become the haven for Japanese players that was predicted by some" when Hiroshi Yamauchi became the club's principal owner.

That totally contradicts what Shannon Drayer said today.