RedSoxSoul
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The REAL part of this deal-The Sox have to also part with Corey Littrell. Say it ain't so!
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John Lackey Traded to the Cardinals For Allen Craig/Joe Kelly
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scotty216brs
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Sad to see Lackey go, he's a bulldog.....he's pitched VERY well over the past two years and we wouldn't have won in 13' without him. I think it's a good trade for both sides, even though I don;t know much about the Cardinals players involved. What's the scouting report on Joe Kelly??
He's had a great year in AA/AAA, I could see that happening...although more of a platoon type situation to start.
scotty216brs
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Serious or...?
scotty216brs
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John Lackey helps you win this October MUCH more than Craig/Kelly would, so I assume they are still going for it all.
RedSoxSoul
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No, not at all LOL Just watching the egg head MLB post 4:30 crew and they think this Lackey deal was the biggest steal of the day in the Sox favor of any of the plethora of deals made today by all teams.
scotty216brs
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Didn't think so, that's why I had to ask haha. I was like uhhh he's like our 35th best prospect!
SINFULONE
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Really?Craig has been awful all year, and Kelly is nothing more than a fringe starter at best.And now Taveras has no one blocking him from playing every day.
SINFULONE
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How is it a "problem"?Garcia and probably 2-3 other starters in the minors will be ready to take his place by that time.
heartyourlife
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I don't think Garcia throws another meaningful pitch for StL. You win some, you lose some...
SINFULONE
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Perhaps, but one of Petrick, Cooney, Gonzales, or Martinez should be ready to take over by that time.If Lackey won't play next year, whoopty damn doo.
RedSoxSoul
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EXACTLY! This was definitely a boon for Sox pitching prospectors! Finding my Owens moving up the most despite him being probably the farthest from the rotation and unlikely to get a start this year.
Ryan The Orange
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I like this trade as a Cardinals fan.
We know what we are getting with Lackey: a consistent starter with great playoffs experience.
Kelly is a #5 starter at the very best. He walks far too many batters, and he can't go deep into games. I believe he has had only two (!) career starts that have gone 7 innings.
Craig is the only part of this deal that worries me, as he is a year removed from one of the most impressive hitting displays in the past 10 years (hitting with RISP in 2013). But he is a mess this year, and I'm convinced his leg/foot/lower half is playing mind games with him. He has looked uncomfortable and lost at the plate for the entirety of this year.
Unless Craig returns to form, I don't see this deal favoring the Red Sox. And if Lackey decides to play for 500k next year, the Cards will have a ton of flexibility with payroll.
We know what we are getting with Lackey: a consistent starter with great playoffs experience.
Kelly is a #5 starter at the very best. He walks far too many batters, and he can't go deep into games. I believe he has had only two (!) career starts that have gone 7 innings.
Craig is the only part of this deal that worries me, as he is a year removed from one of the most impressive hitting displays in the past 10 years (hitting with RISP in 2013). But he is a mess this year, and I'm convinced his leg/foot/lower half is playing mind games with him. He has looked uncomfortable and lost at the plate for the entirety of this year.
Unless Craig returns to form, I don't see this deal favoring the Red Sox. And if Lackey decides to play for 500k next year, the Cards will have a ton of flexibility with payroll.
Ryan The Orange
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And even if Craig does become a threat again, some combination of Taveras/Grichuk/Piscotty will replace him.
scotty216brs
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So essentially he's a big upgrade to Doubront? Fine by me.
There is like a 99.9% chance that will NOT happen. Just warning you not to get your hopes up. But I'm sure he would be open to a 2/$25m extension or something along those lines.
SINFULONE
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Yup, Mozeliak wanted Lackey for games just like this.<round of applause>
craiger122003
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I hated the deal but in the end I LOVE it. I think he could be called MINI Mad Dog
scotty216brs
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Yeah Lackey is money in the postseason. Good to see him do well.
maxe0213
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This was a miss for the sox. Kelly is a very average number 5 guy and Craig has played awfulllll plus he has a decent salary.
Lackey has been very good for the cards and only has a 500k salary which he has said he will pitch on if no extension is reached.
Big miss by the sox
Lackey has been very good for the cards and only has a 500k salary which he has said he will pitch on if no extension is reached.
Big miss by the sox
bmp1971
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Remove Kelly's one poor start vs Houston and his ERA in Boston is a solid 3.35.
He's also ten years younger than Lackey. Farrell adores Kelly, as does the Boston media.
I think Boston is trying to build a young-gun starting rotation (candidates being: Anthony Ranaudo, Henry Owens, Allen Webster, Rubby De La Rosa, Ed. Rodriguez, Escobar, and Matt Barnes), and Kelly could morph into one of the leaders of such, whereas Lackey prob couldn't.
On a different note, how exciting a player is Rusney Castillo? Kid looks awesome so far. I'm expecting very big things from him in 2015.
He's also ten years younger than Lackey. Farrell adores Kelly, as does the Boston media.
I think Boston is trying to build a young-gun starting rotation (candidates being: Anthony Ranaudo, Henry Owens, Allen Webster, Rubby De La Rosa, Ed. Rodriguez, Escobar, and Matt Barnes), and Kelly could morph into one of the leaders of such, whereas Lackey prob couldn't.
On a different note, how exciting a player is Rusney Castillo? Kid looks awesome so far. I'm expecting very big things from him in 2015.
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Super Mario
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All of St. Louis adores Kelly.
This happened Friday at the St. Louis Sports Company store in a local mall.
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