2012 Hall of Fame Ballot Out Today

[ffgameman]

I would vote:

Bagwell
Larkin
McGwire

Palmeiro I am iffy on. 3000 hits and 500 home runs, but he flat-out lied to Congress before testing positive.

 

[ASTROBURN]

I'd vote Bagwell (duh!)

But I think they might save him for when Biggio becomes Eligible and do a doubler from Houston that year...

 

[markakis8]

Re: 2012 HOF Ballot out today.

Jeff Bagwell
Juan Gonzalez
Mark McGwire
Rafael Palmeiro

All are either suspected, admitted, or proven PED users...none of these 4 gets in.

I think you are wrong about Bagwell. He might not get in this year (although I think he does) but he will be in within the next 2-3 years.

 

[wolfmanalfredo]

Larkin for sure, and possibly Morris

 

[mikefrank]

Larkin, which means Trammell SHOULD already be in. Morris has been building momentum, given the "weak" list this year, he may make it. Bagwell I think is another year out, at least.

 

[elmalo]

Larkin, which means Trammell SHOULD already be in. Morris has been building momentum, given the "weak" list this year, he may make it. Bagwell I think is another year out, at least.

Larkin was a better SS.

 

[ukbrian2011]

Murphy put his numbers up clean.

Different era

30/30 guy which was rare then. 2 time MVP and great defensive player.
400 HR's (396 I know) and over 1200 RBI"s was a ton in his era.

If Palmerio or Walker were to get in Murphy sure the hell should.

 

[tpeichel]

Re: 2012 HOF Ballot out today.

Dale Murphy has always been one of my favorite players, and he is running out of ballot time.

I think he'll get in eventually. Very similar to Jim Rice. Rice was a little better hitter with more power while Murphy had superior speed and defense.

 

[chompsmcgee]

I would vote:

Bagwell
Larkin
McGwire

Palmeiro I am iffy on. 3000 hits and 500 home runs, but he flat-out lied to Congress before testing positive.

Yet somehow you'd still vote for McGwire who was sitting right next to Raffy in front of Congress? ::facepalm::

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

Possibly Larkin, although I never really thought of him as a HOFer while he was playing. He might also get in just because nobody else will.

The guy has no 'black ink' - he never led the league in any category.

 

[chompsmcgee]

I'd vote for Larkin, Edgar, Raines, and think Murphy certainly deserves consideration.

All the guys under the PED cloud will have a tough time ever making it in. Unfortunately, I doubt Edgar will ever make it either, despite being such a prolific right handed hitter.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Re: 2012 HOF Ballot out today.

Will be elected this year - Barry Larkin

Will be close, but just not enough this year- Jack Morris, Lee Smith

Completely deserving but will not make it any time soon - Tim Raines, Alan Trammell, Fred McGriff

 

[mikefrank]

Larkin, which means Trammell SHOULD already be in. Morris has been building momentum, given the "weak" list this year, he may make it. Bagwell I think is another year out, at least.

Larkin was a better SS.

Um, no. Larkin and Trammell are virtually identical, with WARs of 66.8 and 68. Trammell has better stats/performance than all but 4 HOF shortstops (as does Larkin). Not dissing Larkin, he deserves it & will get it. But Trammell deserves it, too.

 

[BrewerSuperCollector]

I personally think Lee Smith is the most deserving.

 

[muskiesfan]

I would like to see Larkin make it this time. I would love to see Lee Smith make it in as well.

From the conversation I had with Lee Smith at the National, he'll be having one helluva good time if/when he gets inducted.

 

[elmalo]

Larkin, which means Trammell SHOULD already be in. Morris has been building momentum, given the "weak" list this year, he may make it. Bagwell I think is another year out, at least.

Larkin was a better SS.

Um, no. Larkin and Trammell are virtually identical, with WARs of 66.8 and 68. Trammell has better stats/performance than all but 4 HOF shortstops (as does Larkin). Not dissing Larkin, he deserves it & will get it. But Trammell deserves it, too.

Larkins defensively was better. That was my point. It isnt all about stats.

 

[RustyGreerFan]

Here's a biased perspective on why Edgar should be in. I was more impressed at the time it was published, but am still impressed:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/ ... 344959.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm still astonished that Jack Morris is not already in. As a kid in the 80's I thought he was the best pitcher. He's the winningest pitcher of the 80's, he was a big part of Detroit's World Championship team, and he had one of the most memorable World Series pitching performances of all time. I know his stats toward the end hurt his numbers and I've heard he was a jerk, but when I think 80's pitchers I think of him over Roger and Nolan. Not that he was better, that's just who I think of first.

 

[JustinVerlander35]

Here's a biased perspective on why Edgar should be in. I was more impressed at the time it was published, but am still impressed:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/ ... 344959.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm still astonished that Jack Morris is not already in. As a kid in the 80's I thought he was the best pitcher. He's the winningest pitcher of the 80's, he was a big part of Detroit's World Championship team, and he had one of the most memorable World Series pitching performances of all time. I know his stats toward the end hurt his numbers and I've heard he was a jerk, but when I think 80's pitchers I think of him over Roger and Nolan. Not that he was better, that's just who I think of first.

Morris was a great big game pitcher as well. A big reason why he hasn't got in because of his career ERA being almost 4. I still don't think that should keep someone as good as Jack was out of the hall as long as it has.

 

[Phishmon23]

If I had a vote, I honestly wouldn't vote for a single person on that list. I'd love to vote for Mattingly of course, but there is not one HOF on that list.

Bagwell and Larkin have a shot, but no one else even gets close.

-J

 

[mikefrank]

Larkin, which means Trammell SHOULD already be in. Morris has been building momentum, given the "weak" list this year, he may make it. Bagwell I think is another year out, at least.

Larkin was a better SS.

Um, no. Larkin and Trammell are virtually identical, with WARs of 66.8 and 68. Trammell has better stats/performance than all but 4 HOF shortstops (as does Larkin). Not dissing Larkin, he deserves it & will get it. But Trammell deserves it, too.

Larkins defensively was better. That was my point. It isnt all about stats.

Nope. Trammell 4 Gold Gloves, Larkin 3 Gold Gloves. Again, not dissing Larkin (who was excellent defensively, too), Trammell was exceptional defensively with textbook form positioning, fielding, and throwing. Again it's not an either/or, both deserve to be in the HOF.