Is it possible that Wieters' Elites are UNDERPRICED?

Incline Investments · Feb 14, 2009

Now let me start off by saying I have never owned, and never plan to own, a single Wieters card. I completely missed the boat, and instead of buying at around $80, I just decided **** it and let it go.

Here is my logic. Every year, the top few prospects see major jumps, even more so if they actually perform well (obviously). Some recent history:

Delmong Young (TONS of RC Autos)- BCDPs hit $200 easy, even higher at times.
Alex Gordon (a few RC Autos)- BCs hit $250+
Ryan Braun (a few RC Autos, but this is based on performance, NOT hype)- BCDPs hit $250 easy.
Evan Longoria (a few RC Autos)- BCDPs were around $130 pre-call up, hit as high as $220.
Jay Bruce (a few RC Autos, NO BC Auto)- TCs hit $120 pre-call up, I think $200 after? I may be off on that one.

Now total Wieters Elite Autos=799+100+100+50+25+5+1. That is 1080 TOTAL Autographs, if I didn't miss any. That's HALF the number of a BASE Chrome Auto. Half.

Wieters Elites are getting around $140. With such hype, and such a limited total print run, I can see these hitting $300.

Am I buying? Absolutely not. But I think it's something to think about. Thoughts?

808chrome · Feb 14, 2009

In my opinion, if Weiters had a chrome auto, that card could be a 250.00 card. Because chrome is king.
EEE is a very nice product, but it is not Chrome. All those other cards had a chrome.

schmidtfan20 · Feb 14, 2009

Topps missed the boat with Wieters, Donruss owns this game. Look for EEE to take off this year.

Incline Investments · Feb 14, 2009

808chrome said:
In my opinion, if Weiters had a chrome auto, that card could be a 250.00 card. Because chrome is king.
EEE is a very nice product, but it is not Chrome. All those other cards had a chrome.

In a way though, I feel that that is what could make these so huge.

I did the number split before, and a rough estimate of the total BCDP Autos a player typically has is around 3500. This is less than a 3rd of that.

If Nick Adenhart Elites can be $100 cards, this one can be a $300 card.

Jaypers · Feb 14, 2009

Those who won't be able to afford his EEE autos once they take off will look to his Razor Autos eventually.

Incline Investments · Feb 14, 2009

Jaypers said:
Those who won't be able to afford his EEE autos once they take off will look to his Razor Autos eventually.

You're probably right. Like I said in my first post, I don't plan to buy Wieters ever. When I miss the boat on a prospect, I completely let it go.

But some collectors probably will be looking into his RAZOR stuff if his Elites stay very high.

azbaseballfan · Feb 14, 2009

One sold yesterday for $180 dlvd. I think that is a sign of things to come. His stuff is going to be hot coming into Spring training and on into opening day.

I dont see his stuff cooling off any time soon, I think prices will keep getting higher and higher as we get closer to opening day.

lvdan · Feb 14, 2009

Hard for me call it currently underpriced. Considering the overall shrinking of the market for not only prospects but modern cards in general makes it hard to compare to stuff from even a year or 2 ago.
It's a pretty good price for a non- mlb licenced sticker base auto.
I think they were around 40 shortly after release, I contributed one to andrew's stash for $20 because I thought it was a sweet project

, as you can tell I is real smart.

thebigoriole81 · Feb 14, 2009

Incline Investments said:
Now let me start off by saying I have never owned, and never plan to own, a single Wieters card. I completely missed the boat, and instead of buying at around $80, I just decided frack it and let it go.

Here is my logic. Every year, the top few prospects see major jumps, even more so if they actually perform well (obviously). Some recent history:

Delmong Young (TONS of RC Autos)- BCDPs hit $200 easy, even higher at times.
Alex Gordon (a few RC Autos)- BCs hit $250+
Ryan Braun (a few RC Autos, but this is based on performance, NOT hype)- BCDPs hit $250 easy.
Evan Longoria (a few RC Autos)- BCDPs were around $130 pre-call up, hit as high as $220.
Jay Bruce (a few RC Autos, NO BC Auto)- TCs hit $120 pre-call up, I think $200 after? I may be off on that one.

Now total Wieters Elite Autos=799+100+100+50+25+5+1. That is 1080 TOTAL Autographs, if I didn't miss any. That's HALF the number of a BASE Chrome Auto. Half.

Wieters Elites are getting around $140. With such hype, and such a limited total print run, I can see these hitting $300.

Am I buying? Absolutely not. But I think it's something to think about. Thoughts?

I don't think you included his College Ties/School Colors autos in there:

The Dual College Ties he's got with Payne is /100, the redemption College Patch is /250 and the School Colors is /50.

So that brings his Elite auto total to 1480. Still a limited run though.

It will be interesting to see where his USA Baseball autos go as those were before EEE, ditto for his Just Minors and TriStar.

Incline Investments · Feb 14, 2009

Bigoriole, you are absolutely right I just left those out by mistake.

Dan, don't get me wrong, I don't really think they're underpriced, and I definitely don't have the balls to be buying them now. I just thought it would be a cool discussion, but I see where you're coming from with what you're saying. And hey, at least that bought you a few more McGeary Elites right?

RandomH · Feb 14, 2009

You guys think that his Razor autos will ever = his Elite autos in value?

lvdan · Feb 14, 2009

Incline Investments said:
Bigoriole, you are absolutely right I just left those out by mistake.

Dan, don't get me wrong, I don't really think they're underpriced, and I definitely don't have the balls to be buying them now. I just thought it would be a cool discussion, but I see where you're coming from with what you're saying. And hey, at least that bought you a few more McGeary Elites right?

touche :lol: :lol:

here's a chunk of "my" wieters just for you seth:

JoshHamilton · Feb 14, 2009

I agree.

I doubt they'll be able to sustain $300 for any more than a month or so, but could they hit that when he gets called up? Yup

tommyfro21 · Feb 14, 2009

RandomH said:
You guys think that his Razor autos will ever = his Elite autos in value?

Nope, not his first year card.

azbaseballfan · Feb 14, 2009

RandomH said:
You guys think that his Razor autos will ever = his Elite autos in value?

No sir, his 1st year card (Elite) will always be the "one to have".

TelePlayer22 · Feb 14, 2009

Incline Investments said:
Now let me start off by saying I have never owned, and never plan to own, a single Wieters card. I completely missed the boat, and instead of buying at around $80, I just decided frack it and let it go.

Here is my logic. Every year, the top few prospects see major jumps, even more so if they actually perform well (obviously). Some recent history:

Delmong Young (TONS of RC Autos)- BCDPs hit $200 easy, even higher at times.
Alex Gordon (a few RC Autos)- BCs hit $250+
Ryan Braun (a few RC Autos, but this is based on performance, NOT hype)- BCDPs hit $250 easy.
Evan Longoria (a few RC Autos)- BCDPs were around $130 pre-call up, hit as high as $220.
Jay Bruce (a few RC Autos, NO BC Auto)- TCs hit $120 pre-call up, I think $200 after? I may be off on that one.

Now total Wieters Elite Autos=799+100+100+50+25+5+1. That is 1080 TOTAL Autographs, if I didn't miss any. That's HALF the number of a BASE Chrome Auto. Half.

Wieters Elites are getting around $140. With such hype, and such a limited total print run, I can see these hitting $300.

Am I buying? Absolutely not. But I think it's something to think about. Thoughts?

Some of these prices seem a little far fetched.. I remember Gordon getting $125+ per chrome, Braun was $150.. but not $200 for Delmon. I think Delmon's were about $50 when the set released, and never higher than $125.

Incline Investments · Feb 14, 2009

lvdan said:
Incline Investments said:

Bigoriole, you are absolutely right I just left those out by mistake.

Dan, don't get me wrong, I don't really think they're underpriced, and I definitely don't have the balls to be buying them now. I just thought it would be a cool discussion, but I see where you're coming from with what you're saying. And hey, at least that bought you a few more McGeary Elites right?

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touche :lol: :lol:

here's a chunk of "my" wieters just for you seth:

Dan I'm just messing you know you're my boy

That's a lot of nice "Wieters" stuff buddy, but Donruss made an error, they put some scrub pitcher on there!

Incline Investments · Feb 14, 2009

TelePlayer22 said:
Incline Investments said:

Now let me start off by saying I have never owned, and never plan to own, a single Wieters card. I completely missed the boat, and instead of buying at around $80, I just decided frack it and let it go.

Here is my logic. Every year, the top few prospects see major jumps, even more so if they actually perform well (obviously). Some recent history:

Delmong Young (TONS of RC Autos)- BCDPs hit $200 easy, even higher at times.
Alex Gordon (a few RC Autos)- BCs hit $250+
Ryan Braun (a few RC Autos, but this is based on performance, NOT hype)- BCDPs hit $250 easy.
Evan Longoria (a few RC Autos)- BCDPs were around $130 pre-call up, hit as high as $220.
Jay Bruce (a few RC Autos, NO BC Auto)- TCs hit $120 pre-call up, I think $200 after? I may be off on that one.

Now total Wieters Elite Autos=799+100+100+50+25+5+1. That is 1080 TOTAL Autographs, if I didn't miss any. That's HALF the number of a BASE Chrome Auto. Half.

Wieters Elites are getting around $140. With such hype, and such a limited total print run, I can see these hitting $300.

Am I buying? Absolutely not. But I think it's something to think about. Thoughts?

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Some of these prices seem a little far fetched.. I remember Gordon getting $125+ per chrome, Braun was $150.. but not $200 for Delmon. I think Delmon's were about $50 when the set released, and never higher than $125.

I sold multiple Delmon Chromes at $180, and I know they went higher than that.

I sold a Gordon X at $280, and then watched his Chromes get almost as much in the next few months.

Braun at his peak was well over $200.

tommyfro21 · Feb 14, 2009

All I know is I am glad I traded for this the other day.

TelePlayer22 · Feb 14, 2009

Incline Investments said:
TelePlayer22 said:

[quote="Incline Investments":2v5i9g8v]Now let me start off by saying I have never owned, and never plan to own, a single Wieters card. I completely missed the boat, and instead of buying at around $80, I just decided frack it and let it go.

Here is my logic. Every year, the top few prospects see major jumps, even more so if they actually perform well (obviously). Some recent history:

Delmong Young (TONS of RC Autos)- BCDPs hit $200 easy, even higher at times.
Alex Gordon (a few RC Autos)- BCs hit $250+
Ryan Braun (a few RC Autos, but this is based on performance, NOT hype)- BCDPs hit $250 easy.
Evan Longoria (a few RC Autos)- BCDPs were around $130 pre-call up, hit as high as $220.
Jay Bruce (a few RC Autos, NO BC Auto)- TCs hit $120 pre-call up, I think $200 after? I may be off on that one.

Now total Wieters Elite Autos=799+100+100+50+25+5+1. That is 1080 TOTAL Autographs, if I didn't miss any. That's HALF the number of a BASE Chrome Auto. Half.

Wieters Elites are getting around $140. With such hype, and such a limited total print run, I can see these hitting $300.

Am I buying? Absolutely not. But I think it's something to think about. Thoughts?

Click to expand...

Some of these prices seem a little far fetched.. I remember Gordon getting $125+ per chrome, Braun was $150.. but not $200 for Delmon. I think Delmon's were about $50 when the set released, and never higher than $125.

I sold multiple Delmon Chromes at $180, and I know they went higher than that.

I sold a Gordon X at $280, and then watched his Chromes get almost as much in the next few months.

Braun at his peak was well over $200.[/quote:2v5i9g8v]

I take back what I said, then. Touche

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