Hall of Fame chances

Legion_79 · Jan 29, 2013

After talking about this at work, what do you think of the following players chances on being elected?
Scott Rolen
Joey Votto
Chris Carpenter
Yadier Molina
Jim Edmonds
I think it's too early to know about Votto but he was an older rookie when he came up. Carpenter and Rolen would have been if not for injuries. Molina could be a possibility and Edmonds too but no where close to a first ballot. Thoughts?

Ghumbs · Jan 29, 2013

Of those I think Molina is the only one I'd say will definitely make it...eventually. If Votto keeps it up he'll be in, as well.

James52411 · Jan 29, 2013

Molina is far from a definite Hall of Fame inductee.

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uniquebaseballcards · Jan 29, 2013

I was always fascinated about how much better Carpenter was as a Cardinal than a Blue Jay. I think the vets on your list could only make the Cardinals' HOF.

jcgentile87 · Jan 29, 2013

They'll get some votes. Doubt any will make it. But if Aaron sele can get a HOF vote I'm sure those guys will.

gmsieb · Jan 29, 2013

None.

Legion_79 · Jan 29, 2013

Oh I'm sure all Molina, Edmonds, and Carpenter will make the Cardinals HOF. Since none that I am aware if have been linked to PED's could see 1 or 2 make it to Cooperstown eventually

notjomommasclint · Jan 30, 2013

Edmonds has the best shot IMO. He was a defensive whiz and well above adequate at the dish. 390+ home runs, 280+ avg, 1000+ rbis, and 8 gold gloves. To me he's like an outfielding Ozzie Smith with a stick.

Dilferules · Jan 30, 2013

I think Rolen was a good player and third basemen are really underrepresented in the Hall so he could have some kind of a shot after many many years, maybe veteran's selection.

Molina would have to keep up his current performance for another 5 years before you can even start talking about him getting into the Hall. The All-Star appearances and Gold Gloves help, but the last 2 seasons have been his only years with an OPS+ above 100. He's not going to get elected for purely defensive reasons.

Carpenter only had 2-3 really excellent years, 2-3 more good years, and a bunch of bad and/or injured years plus he didn't get really good until he was 30. He has a zero point zero chance of making the Hall.

Edmonds was a good player but you're being a major homer if you think he'll get anywhere remotely close. Being great defensively in the outfield is not valued nearly as high as the middle infield so it's not accurate to compare him to Ozzie or Mazeroski. For his career he didn't quite make it to 2,000 hits or 400 homers.

Votto has only been playing full-time for 5 years so it's pretty early to discuss him. If he can maintain what he's done so far for another 5-8 years then drop off a little then he's got the best shot out of your list. But that's a major if.

BiggioBrooks755 · Jan 30, 2013

predatorkj · Jan 30, 2013

Dilferules said:
I think Rolen was a good player and third basemen are really underrepresented in the Hall so he could have some kind of a shot after many many years, maybe veteran's selection.

Molina would have to keep up his current performance for another 5 years before you can even start talking about him getting into the Hall. The All-Star appearances and Gold Gloves help, but the last 2 seasons have been his only years with an OPS+ above 100. He's not going to get elected for purely defensive reasons.

Carpenter only had 2-3 really excellent years, 2-3 more good years, and a bunch of bad and/or injured years plus he didn't get really good until he was 30. He has a zero point zero chance of making the Hall.

Edmonds was a good player but you're being a major homer if you think he'll get anywhere remotely close. Being great defensively in the outfield is not valued nearly as high as the middle infield so it's not accurate to compare him to Ozzie or Mazeroski. For his career he didn't quite make it to 2,000 hits or 400 homers.

Votto has only been playing full-time for 5 years so it's pretty early to discuss him. If he can maintain what he's done so far for another 5-8 years then drop off a little then he's got the best shot out of your list. But that's a major if.

Per Molina...really? And why oh why is Ozzie Smith in the HOF? He didn't exactly light it up as a powerhouse at the plate. Shortstop and Catcher are two of the positions where defense is the best attribute one can have. Then you do get hybrids like Piazza but still, Molina is a damn good player. I think if he keeps up his current level, he gets in. Everyone else on the list to me, seems like they'd fall short...

notjomommasclint · Jan 30, 2013

Dilferules said:
Edmonds was a good player but you're being a major homer if you think he'll get anywhere remotely close. Being great defensively in the outfield is not valued nearly as high as the middle infield so it's not accurate to compare him to Ozzie or Mazeroski. For his career he didn't quite make it to 2,000 hits or 400 homers.

from 2000-2005 Edmonds was arguably the best all around player in the game. His offensive numbers were elite and his defense was top shelf.

In all time cf stats he ranks 4th in hr, 5th in slg, 6th in ops, 7th in ops+ and rbis, 11th in runs, and 12th in obp.

Only other ofs to play 75% of their games in cf and to amass hr 350, runs 1250, and rbis 1190..

Mays, Griffey, DiMaggio..

There is a more valid argument to make than homerism.. Which I'm not I'm a Red Sox fan.. I'd rather Edmonds be in the hall than rice. That said of he doesn't make it I won't become violent..

Wes · Jan 30, 2013

notjomommasclint;1897905[B said:
]from 2000-2005 Edmonds was arguably the best all around player in the game.[/B] His offensive numbers were elite and his defense was top shelf.

In all time cf stats he ranks 4th in hr, 5th in slg, 6th in ops, 7th in ops+ and rbis, 11th in runs, and 12th in obp.

Only other ofs to play 75% of their games in cf and to amass hr 350, runs 1250, and rbis 1190..

Mays, Griffey, DiMaggio..

There is a more valid argument to make than homerism.. Which I'm not I'm a Red Sox fan.. I'd rather Edmonds be in the hall than rice. That said of he doesn't make it I won't become violent..

I just can't imagine anyone making that argument when Bonds won four MVPs in those years. Edmonds was a damn good player but wasn't even in the top 3 for MVP any of those seasons.

Gwynn545 · Jan 30, 2013

All those guys need to get in line behind Tim Raines...and the line should be to get into a different building down in Topeka, Kansas that glorifies Major Leaguers who had great stretches of five or six years...Bret Boone and Brady Anderson are not eligible because of their steroids link, and Gamblers are welcome. Chone Figgins and that kid from the 1993 blockbuster Rookie of the Year are first ballot locks!

WNP22 · Jan 30, 2013

Edmonds and Rolen are in my Hall of Very Good.

I could see Molina making the Hall down the road. Granted, it's going to take him staying behind the dish, keeping up his offensive production from the past two years, and maybe the Cards winning another World Series, but it could happen.

gt2590 · Jan 30, 2013

Votto has the best shot but will need many more years of stats like the last coupla have been...

James52411 · Jan 30, 2013

Molina has a career OPS of .735, which is not Hall of Fame worthy. Every Cardinals defensive specialist doesn't get to go to the HOF. Yadier is an excellent defensive catcher, but to this point in his career, he's basically the modern Tony Pena, an excellent defender with good pop in his bat who is in no way a HOFer.

PS: Ozzie Smith was the most spectacular (and probably best) defensive infielder of all time. He was amazing defensively, and that's why he deserves his Hall spot.

PSS: Edmonds and Rolen, are plausible candidates with Edmonds being stronger. Votto too, if he hits 250+ more homers and keeps his average around .300.

rookieaddict · Jan 30, 2013

Scott Rolen was on a Hall of Fame trajectory til Hee Sop-Choi knocked him off course. That collision in 2005 killed his chances.
I'd love to see Molina get in some day, but I agree; he won't be able to get in on defense alone. Needs a few more seasons of good offensive output.

notjomommasclint · Jan 30, 2013

Wes said:
I just can't imagine anyone making that argument when Bonds won four MVPs in those years. Edmonds was a damn good player but wasn't even in the top 3 for MVP any of those seasons.

I can also make the argument for him not to be in the hall of fame. However the question was which of the listed players had the best chance. Of those players it was edmunds. While I agree bonds was the best hitter by a large margin my qualification to the fact was all around player. Which Barry's range, speed, and arm strength were suspect at that time.

jbhofmann · Jan 30, 2013

Yadi. One of the best defensive Catchers in history.

Votto. Maybe the best pure hitter the game for the next 6-7 years.

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