homerun28aa
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Also better than Chipper? I hope you're like a die hard Cardinals fan some of your responses just make no sense
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Also better than Chipper? I hope you're like a die hard Cardinals fan some of your responses just make no sense
Super Mario
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I've see Rolen do things playing the field that I don't believe Schmidt could ever do.
Throw a runner out at first, from his BUTT, from the opposite side of 3B, sitting on the foul line. Come on son.
Super Mario
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Rolen vs Chipper in the field? Is that seriously being debated? Rolen runs circles around Larry defensively. Am I the only one who watches more than one team around here?
Dilferules
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I can't say who was better defensively, Schmidt won more Gold Gloves but it's not like that's a totally accurate measure, Rolen had higher career defensive WAR. I CAN say that there is no way Rolen was so much better defensively than Schmidt to make up how much better Schmidt was with the bat. It's not even close. Go look at their numbers.
If you mean Rolen is the best purely defensive third baseman ever, Brooks Robinson would like to have a talk with you.
ccouch (Chad)
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Rolen's chances will be a lot better if in retirement he turns into a cuddly radio broadcaster who loses both of his legs to an insidious disease and spends most of his retirement begging for entrance to the Hall of Fame. You know, exactly like Ron Santo.
Yeah. I went there.
Yeah. I went there.
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Legion_79
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Rolen's chances will be a lot better if in retirement he turns into a cuddly radio broadcaster who loses both of his legs to an insidious disease and spends most of his retirement begging for entrance to the Hall of Fame. You know, exactly like Ron Santo.
Yeah. I went there.
HAHA, harsh but awesome and quite true
Yeah. I went there.
HAHA, harsh but awesome and quite true
Mozzie22
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:lol: Thanks for that. Brooks Robinson and Mike Schmidt are both on record as saying Scott Rolen is the best defensive third baseman they've ever seen. That and his offense are enough for me.
markakis8
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Dont' let bias play a factor or anything. Geez.
markakis8
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LMAO, Scott Rolen would be lucky to be a top 10 3rd baseman of all time. I can name off these guys that were better than Rolen without even looking it up: Mike Schmidt, George Brett, Brooks Robinson, Chipper Jones, Eddie Mathews, Wade Boggs....Ron Santo maybe...and Adrian Beltre by the end of his career will have easily surpassed Rolen in terms of greatness.
Rolen does have an outside chance of getting to Cooperstown though. Just like Santo. I view them as similar players.
markakis8
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For me the top 5 3B of all time:
1. Schmidt
2. Chipper
3. Brooks
4. Brett
5. Mathews
6-10 would probably consist of Boggs, Santo, Rolen, Nettles and Beltre but not in that order.
1. Schmidt
2. Chipper
3. Brooks
4. Brett
5. Mathews
6-10 would probably consist of Boggs, Santo, Rolen, Nettles and Beltre but not in that order.
Rolen has no shot of ever making it into the HOF. Unless the all time career games missed stat become important.
Molina has been a very good catcher, but no where near HOF worthy. He'd have to repeat 2012 8-10 more times to even be close.
People need to pull their heads out of their homer a$$es. The HOF is supposed to be for the all time greats, it's not for the all time good players.
Molina has been a very good catcher, but no where near HOF worthy. He'd have to repeat 2012 8-10 more times to even be close.
People need to pull their heads out of their homer a$$es. The HOF is supposed to be for the all time greats, it's not for the all time good players.
markakis8
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Well the HOF has definitely changed the past 15-20 years. With the like of Santo, Rice, Sutter, Dawson, Gossage, Tony Perez, Gary Carter, etc getting in - it opens doors for the Omar Vizquels, Scott Rolens, and Jim Edmonds.
Edmonds and Rolen are definitely valid debates. They were both elite defensive players on championship teams with great power. If they stuck around to get some sort of milestone #, they would be locks.
Neither of them are close to any milestones and both are done.
Neither had 400 hr and both were around 2000 hits. Just in those 2 cats, they are 1000 hits and 100 hr away.
I hate replying to you, it only strengthens your trolling/stalking case. And I can't have that.
notjomommasclint
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The voting the last 30 years has become so watered down as the media stretches to find greatness in everyone it's sad. There are players in the hall of fame who weren't even the most dominate players in their own teams. This opens the door to players who were below the threshold of greatness to slide in.
When you take a player and place him amongst the best at his position and he stacks up well there is certainly a good case for argument. While I believe that if you need to argue the player isn't worthy.. That wasn't the question the question was who has the best chance from this list of players..
Mozzie22
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Rolen and Edmonds are arguably the greatest defensive players at their positions in the history of the game. Even if you don't agree with that statement you at least have to agree they both are on the very short list at their respective positions, defensively. This fact alone should get them some consideration. Both players were exemplary defensive players and very good offensive players.
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gt2590
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Carter and Dawson are HOFers in any Era. Still a crime that Ozzie made it over Dawson that first year. I don't have a big problem with Ozzie being in, but that was just ridiculous...
And anybody who thinks Rolen, Molina or Edmonds are getting in just based mostly on their Defense is sorely mistaken. Just won't happen.
It's way too early, but Posey, at his current rate, is probably the only Active Catcher headed to Cooperstown. Mauer probably needs a bunch of Monster seasons to get there...
And anybody who thinks Rolen, Molina or Edmonds are getting in just based mostly on their Defense is sorely mistaken. Just won't happen.
It's way too early, but Posey, at his current rate, is probably the only Active Catcher headed to Cooperstown. Mauer probably needs a bunch of Monster seasons to get there...
Rolen is a deserving HOFer. You cannot judge a guy for the tail end of his career. He was a premier third baseman throughout his prime and into his mid 30s. Excellent defense and very good run production numbers.
Edmonds is a borderline case, even though his stats are arguably superior to those of Rolen, because he was an outfielder. There are many more great slugging outfielders in the HOF than third basemen, who are underrepresented in the HOF. Making it even tougher is the fact he had more great contemporaries at his position than Rolen did. He only made 4 All Star teams. I'm going to say out, but it's close.
Edmonds is a borderline case, even though his stats are arguably superior to those of Rolen, because he was an outfielder. There are many more great slugging outfielders in the HOF than third basemen, who are underrepresented in the HOF. Making it even tougher is the fact he had more great contemporaries at his position than Rolen did. He only made 4 All Star teams. I'm going to say out, but it's close.
