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Ok, I've watched the video like 10 times...and here is what I can gather from it...someone correct me if I'm wrong, PLEASE!
- Segura is on first with Braun up and steals 2nd.
- Braun walks making Braun on 1st and Segura on 2nd.
- Segura tries to steal 3rd but pitcher picks him off and he gets into rundown. Braun just takes second. Valbuena? tags both Segura and Braun while they are touching 2nd base. Segura takes off for 1st? HOW THE HELL CAN HE DO THAT?
-Umpire says Braun is out. I have no idea why. He was never tagged off a base.
-Segura is somehow back at first base and get thrown out trying to steal 2nd.
I have NEVER seen something like this.
- Segura is on first with Braun up and steals 2nd.
- Braun walks making Braun on 1st and Segura on 2nd.
- Segura tries to steal 3rd but pitcher picks him off and he gets into rundown. Braun just takes second. Valbuena? tags both Segura and Braun while they are touching 2nd base. Segura takes off for 1st? HOW THE HELL CAN HE DO THAT?
-Umpire says Braun is out. I have no idea why. He was never tagged off a base.
-Segura is somehow back at first base and get thrown out trying to steal 2nd.
I have NEVER seen something like this.
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What I'm most confused by is how Segura can steal 2nd and then a batter later be on 1st.
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Segura thought he was out. So he started back towards the dugout. But then he realized he wasn't out, and since he was near 1B, he stopped there, since he would have been tagged out if he had tried to go back to 2B
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This is what happened as the runner who occupied the base (2nd) first would be safe, but he actually should have been out when he was tagged again once he started back to the dugout/first. Overall quality base running.
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WaxPax
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So does that count as a -1 stolen base since he "lost" a base instead of advancing a base, weird...
FrostyCollects
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Thought I would have a headacheless day today. Nope! Thanks a lot! :evil:
Krom
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No because he stole first the first time and then was out the second so it could be 0.
hockeyfights
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Same type of play happened back in 1987, but this guy took 2nd base again. Segura should have been called out when he was tagged coming off the bag heading back to the dugout.
After Segura leaves 2nd and gets caught in a rundown and Braun takes 2nd, Segura goes back to the bag so there are 2 runners on the base at the same time. He is tagged by the thirdbaseman twice, once while he has his hand on the base and once a second later when he takes it off without time being called, as far as I could tell. However, when Braun touched 2nd and Segura returned to the base, I think the ump ruled that Braun had passed the lead runner, and so was out (Rule 7.08 (h)). So it was all very messy, obviously, but I think they both should have been out and in no circumstance could Segura have "stolen first base." I think all umps and players involved will be getting a refresher course in baserunning rules. And Segura special coaching on how to steal third.
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It was the wrong ruling. Segura should have been called out because you can not travel backwards around the base path. Something in the rule book states that. Umpires were just as confused and just let him stay at 1st.
Segura shouldn't have been running in the first place. Dumb play all around.
Segura shouldn't have been running in the first place. Dumb play all around.
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2nd base was Segura's base. So calling out Braun was correct. Segura should have been called out when he was tagged leaving 2nd base, but the ump missed it. rule 7.08i allows the return to first because he wasn't trying to confuse the defense.
This rule was most likely made after Jimmy Piersall tried to run the bases in reverse after hitting a home run.
This rule was most likely made after Jimmy Piersall tried to run the bases in reverse after hitting a home run.
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According to the espn box score it shows Segura getting CS out at 3rd base when it was actually 2nd base. Would like to see how this is officially scored.
WaxPax
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The put out on Braun should be a Caught Stealing as he was the trail runner on a double steal. Even though be reached base safely, when he occupied the same base as Segura as the trail runner, he would be called out. Segura retreated to first base safely so there should be no put out on him on that play.
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Correct, but with the next batter in the box(and Segura at 1st) Segura tried to steal 2nd again and was caught stealing.
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