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HOF Ryne Sandberg, who played alongside Sammy Sosa, says his former Cubs teammate does not belong in Cooperstown.
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"They use the word 'integrity' in describing a Hall of Famer in the logo of the Hall of Fame, and I think there are gonna be quite a few players that are not going to get in," said Sandberg.
200lbhockeyplayer said:Personally, I don't like a guy like Sandberg entering this debate. Not at all. I'm a firm believer in the more you posture, you more you are hiding.
The second part of what you bolded is why I don't like Sandberg getting into this debate.Mozzie22 said:200lbhockeyplayer said:Personally, I don't like a guy like Sandberg entering this debate. Not at all. I'm a firm believer in the more you posture, you more you are hiding.
Sandberg is Sosa's former teammate and a member of the Hall of Fame; if he isn't qualified to "enter this debate," then who in the hell would be?
200lbhockeyplayer said:The second part of what you bolded is why I don't like Sandberg getting into this debate.Mozzie22 said:200lbhockeyplayer said:Personally, I don't like a guy like Sandberg entering this debate. Not at all. I'm a firm believer in the more you posture, you more you are hiding.
Sandberg is Sosa's former teammate and a member of the Hall of Fame; if he isn't qualified to "enter this debate," then who in the hell would be?
Mozzie22 said:I'm out of this discussion because I'm tired and ready for bed. There will always be the conspiracy theorists that believe every single player post Ruth was a roid/drug user but I just don't buy it. I'd bet my house that Sandberg was clean and because of that he has every right to tell Sosa to go pack sand.
goldenegg1 said:I'm sure they asked Sandberg about it and he didn't just bring up the issue himself.
What was he supposed to say when asked?
If guys like Sandberg, Ozzie Snith, Cal Ripken etc. doesn't define integrity, I'm not sure whoe does!
200lbhockeyplayer said:I can't possibly believe that a player who played as long as Sandberg did would be "blinded" by steroids as he claims. I'm not stating that Sandberg used steroids, but the play the Bud Selig "ignorance" card is laughable.
And not every player in the Hall of Fame epitomizes "integrity" so taking that "holier than thou" attitude turns me off.
I'm also a firm believer that at least one HOFer used steroids, if not dozens. This isn't some crazed "conspiracy theory" either, it's logic. So this witch hunt of recent players simply implies that the problem was a recent one - it was not.
Should players of the 70s and 80s simply get a "free pass" because they didn't get caught? I don't think so, therefore I don't see the logic in projecting a "clean" image from that period either.
I'm a firm believer in punishing based upon the accepted rules of the game at the time. Just as we won't punish all of the players who used greenies/amphetamines (in the thousands), we can't project punishment based upon the current rules. Manny was caught using a banned substance, and he'll sit for 50 games, per the punishment. Should that keep Manny out of the Hall of Fame? Absolutely not...just the stated 50 games.
If Sosa's name is on that list, so be it. There was no punishment for positives at the time.
I didn't make the rules, but we can at least enforce them, and not extend upon them.
Philip J. Fry said:"They use the word 'integrity' in describing a Hall of Famer in the logo of the Hall of Fame, and I think there are gonna be quite a few players that are not going to get in," said Sandberg.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Therion said:Philip J. Fry said:"They use the word 'integrity' in describing a Hall of Famer in the logo of the Hall of Fame, and I think there are gonna be quite a few players that are not going to get in," said Sandberg.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Oh how short people's memories are. Sandberg divorced his first wife shortly before his first retirement and within a month had announced his intentions to marry his second wife. Guess what that means folks.
I hate when people bring up the "integrity" argument. Ty Cobb has been in the Hall for far too long for the integrity argument to be valid.
sportscardtheory said:Therion said:Philip J. Fry said:"They use the word 'integrity' in describing a Hall of Famer in the logo of the Hall of Fame, and I think there are gonna be quite a few players that are not going to get in," said Sandberg.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Oh how short people's memories are. Sandberg divorced his first wife shortly before his first retirement and within a month had announced his intentions to marry his second wife. Guess what that means folks.
I hate when people bring up the "integrity" argument. Ty Cobb has been in the Hall for far too long for the integrity argument to be valid.
It means integrity in the game of baseball. Sandberg's personal life has nothing to do with his on-field antics. If it meant integrity off the field, 75% or more of the Hall would not be there.