Madison Bumgarner

Do you think his stocks went up or down?

His Strike outs are down this year, but has a sub 2.00 ERA in AA ball at age 19 :shock:

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/ ... rner.shtml

You asked two questions in your post, neither of which requires a Yes or No.

Jaypers said:

You asked two questions in your post, neither of which requires a Yes or No.

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I thought my brain had stopped working.

I dont think he will drop, but I do think others will leapfrog him... strasburg/ackley mania is coming

Jaypers said:

You asked two questions in your post, neither of which requires a Yes or No.

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Will he remain in the top 5?
Pretty sure you can answer yes or no to that one

If the K's don't come up he could be lost in the shuffle. Just isn't much love for them in the prospect world. Not sure why his K's dropped so much in the last 10 games (24K's in 50IP). The ERA was fantastic though and control was good.

AKA Coastal said:

If the K's don't come up he could be lost in the shuffle. Just isn't much love for them in the prospect world. Not sure why his K's dropped so much in the last 10 games (24K's in 50IP). The ERA was fantastic though and control was good.

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agreed, and another thing..

1.pitcher
2.west coast

these things can hurt in the card world.. he could be still top 5 in talent, but a good pitcher gets kicked aside for a worse position player all the time.

AKA Coastal said:

If the K's don't come up he could be lost in the shuffle. Just isn't much love for them in the prospect world. Not sure why his K's dropped so much in the last 10 games (24K's in 50IP). The ERA was fantastic though and control was good.

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Time for him to use his fastball more again lol? maybe use his secondary stuff to set up for the K, the only times i watched him pitch he threw a first pitch fastball mainly and occasionally threw for a ground out.

Sooooo, are you gonna change the poll so it makes sense?

Brett Keith said:

Sooooo, are you gonna change the poll so it makes sense?

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It makes perfect sense to Iphoner, isn't that enough?

I would say the poll is slightly confusing, and people may think different things of it but in general its the same thing

Jaypers said:

Brett Keith said:

Sooooo, are you gonna change the poll so it makes sense?

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It makes perfect sense to Iphoner, isn't that enough?

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I guess it sorta makes sense. Do I think his stock(s) have gone up or down? Well, yes, I think one of those things, so...yes?

Brett Keith said:

Jaypers said:

[quote="Brett Keith":3r9enttn]Sooooo, are you gonna change the poll so it makes sense?

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It makes perfect sense to Iphoner, isn't that enough?

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I guess it sorta makes sense. Do I think his stock(s) have gone up or down? Well, yes, I think one of those things, so...yes?[/quote:3r9enttn]

It makes sense if he's asking do you think his stock changed, or not

Ie: is he exactly where he was last year, or has it changed.

I'm just glad DaRocker doesn't write SAT questions.

No, his stock hasn't dropped.

He's 20 years old, pitching in AA, with a 1.93 ERA. His strikeout numbers aren't great but he is pitching in a league with a ton of great hitters (Montero, Lars, Alvarez, Strieby, Dominic Brown, Michael Taylor, Carlos Santana, Beau Mills, Weglarz, Ike Davis) The Giants have him throwing mainly off speed stuff. the times I saw him pitch he was starting at bats with change ups and curves and only threw 1-2 fastballs per at bat. I've heard people say "well his off speed must not be very good because he isn't getting the strikeouts" thats not true. His strikeout pitch is his 96 MPH fastball. Take away Randy Johnson's slider, or Pedro Martinez's circle change they are going to strikeout less batters.

I don't know if anyone here on FCB has seen his pitch live, but he is intimidating as hell and is flat out nasty.

goblue6919 said:

Take away Randy Johnson's slider, or Pedro Martinez's circle change they are going to strikeout less batters.

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The difference between Bumgarner and those two guys, or pretty much any top of the rotation type, is that he doesn't have a second plus pitch. Until he does have atleast one other pitch that's a plus, he doesn't profile as a true top of the rotation guy in the majors. His command could make him borderline, but with the Giants depth, they could be more inclined to move him to the closer role, where his stuff would likely play up and would profile better.

Brett Keith said:

goblue6919 said:

Take away Randy Johnson's slider, or Pedro Martinez's circle change they are going to strikeout less batters.

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The difference between Bumgarner and those two guys, or pretty much any top of the rotation type, is that he doesn't have a second plus pitch. Until he does have atleast one other pitch that's a plus, he doesn't profile as a true top of the rotation guy in the majors. His command could make him borderline, but with the Giants depth, they could be more inclined to move him to the closer role, where his stuff would likely play up and would profile better.

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You know some Bumgarner investors aren't going to be able to sleep tonight because of that comment.

AKA Coastal said:

[quote="Brett Keith":31yng6so]

goblue6919 said:

Take away Randy Johnson's slider, or Pedro Martinez's circle change they are going to strikeout less batters.

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The difference between Bumgarner and those two guys, or pretty much any top of the rotation type, is that he doesn't have a second plus pitch. Until he does have atleast one other pitch that's a plus, he doesn't profile as a true top of the rotation guy in the majors. His command could make him borderline, but with the Giants depth, they could be more inclined to move him to the closer role, where his stuff would likely play up and would profile better.

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You know some Bumgarner investors aren't going to be able to sleep tonight because of that comment.[/quote:31yng6so]

Oh no he di'int..wait, was he serious?!?

Anthony

AKA Coastal said:

[quote="Brett Keith":2mn7zk7m]

goblue6919 said:

Take away Randy Johnson's slider, or Pedro Martinez's circle change they are going to strikeout less batters.

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The difference between Bumgarner and those two guys, or pretty much any top of the rotation type, is that he doesn't have a second plus pitch. Until he does have atleast one other pitch that's a plus, he doesn't profile as a true top of the rotation guy in the majors. His command could make him borderline, but with the Giants depth, they could be more inclined to move him to the closer role, where his stuff would likely play up and would profile better.

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You know some Bumgarner investors aren't going to be able to sleep tonight because of that comment.[/quote:2mn7zk7m]

Eh, they shouldn't worry, as there's little chance he'll be converted before he hits the bigs, if he gets converted, so as long as he keeps dominating minor leaguers he'll get plenty of hype when he first comes up. Plus, with his FB and command, he could come up and have a Neftali Feliz like run.

Im going to sleep like a baby tonight. Brian Wilson is one of the best in the league now, and hes the definition of a closer. If Bumgarner doesn't have any plus secondary pitches... thats bs.If you asked anyone who faced him they would probably say that he is as nasty as they come.

AKA Coastal said:

[quote="Brett Keith":3g6owq13]

goblue6919 said:

Take away Randy Johnson's slider, or Pedro Martinez's circle change they are going to strikeout less batters.

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The difference between Bumgarner and those two guys, or pretty much any top of the rotation type, is that he doesn't have a second plus pitch. Until he does have atleast one other pitch that's a plus, he doesn't profile as a true top of the rotation guy in the majors. His command could make him borderline, but with the Giants depth, they could be more inclined to move him to the closer role, where his stuff would likely play up and would profile better.

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You know some Bumgarner investors aren't going to be able to sleep tonight because of that comment.[/quote:3g6owq13]

JacobAlastra said:

Im going to sleep like a baby tonight. Brian Wilson is one of the best in the league now, and hes the definition of a closer. If Bumgarner doesn't have any plus secondary pitches... thats bs.If you asked anyone who faced him they would probably say that he is as nasty as they come.

AKA Coastal said:

[quote="Brett Keith":j8hjuppf]

goblue6919 said:

Take away Randy Johnson's slider, or Pedro Martinez's circle change they are going to strikeout less batters.

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The difference between Bumgarner and those two guys, or pretty much any top of the rotation type, is that he doesn't have a second plus pitch. Until he does have atleast one other pitch that's a plus, he doesn't profile as a true top of the rotation guy in the majors. His command could make him borderline, but with the Giants depth, they could be more inclined to move him to the closer role, where his stuff would likely play up and would profile better.

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You know some Bumgarner investors aren't going to be able to sleep tonight because of that comment.

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So does he have a second plus pitch?

Also, just because Brian Wilson is the closer now, is good now, doesn't mean either of those two things will be true in the next few years. Relievers fluctuate year to year probably more than any other players. Also, if Bumgarner comes up to aid in the bullpen and dominates, the Giants could see Wilson as a valuable piece to trade for more offense, or whatever they need at the time, because like I said, relievers fluctuate, and they usually become overpriced/overvalued quickly when they're a closer with any success. All of this is hypothetical, Bumgarner could develop a second plus pitch, the Giants could decide that he's more valuable as a good mid rotation starter, than as a reliever. Right now though, it seems as though him having a second plus pitch is also a hypothetical situation.

Also, just throwing it out there, but Mariano Rivera was a starter in the minors, posted a career 2.36 ERA with a WHIP of 1.026. What have the Yankees been doing all his time, he could have been dominating as a starter all these years...what a waste.