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George_Calfas
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Hard to get that big of a patch under there without some damage, right? IDK on this one.
asmsportscards
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beltran looks fake
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zep33
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What's sad is there are so many fakes floating around now, every good patch out there will have doubters.
Guess video proof of the pack being opened must now be included with the auctions.
Glad I never really got into the patch thing
Guess video proof of the pack being opened must now be included with the auctions.
Glad I never really got into the patch thing
mrwhitesox30
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Other cards sold by watchmanfan
I can't decide whether he makes fake patches or is a collector of logo patches. I'm more skeptical than most, so sometimes I pass on real logo patches, but oh well. He's sold some nice logos in the past, but they could all be real except for the Matsui.
I can't decide whether he makes fake patches or is a collector of logo patches. I'm more skeptical than most, so sometimes I pass on real logo patches, but oh well. He's sold some nice logos in the past, but they could all be real except for the Matsui.
mlbsalltimegreats
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I bought this patch :
From this seller - http://cgi.ebay.com/Mariano-Rivera-09-U ... 335b5ba3c2
Which Now he has relisted the card after ebay told me that he would not be able to relist the card again and they are currently investigating ::facepalm::
I took a chance on it because I know there were similar patches like that which sold early on. When I recieved it ( This goes When I recieve any Logo patch) I check every aspect of the card. I looked for dips, Lifting, Spliting, ECT. ECT. and the final thing I checked was if the patch moved at all. Well The Logo was not even attached to the Jersey :benson: . I could have litterly lifted the whole logo out of the card and put it back in. What amazed me was that there was not any damage to the window whats so ever which was the first time (For me) I had seen that on a card.
99.99% when you get a fake Logo you will see some sort of window damage be it small you will still see it. Now the seller that I bought the Fake Rivera from and the seller of the Konerko are not related (I dont think) so the cards he has could possibly be legit. Also Watchmen does not seem to Privatize his buyers (Which should have been a big red flag for me on the Rivera) so he has that going for him. The thing that scares me is that he has/had a 2005 absolute reverse Matsui jumbo jersey card with a Tag in it that we all know is fake and if he has one fake he more than likley has more. If you do go after it and recieve it I would look and prod (With out damaging it ofcourse) that card and if you see anything what so ever that would make you even more suspisious I would file a dispute ASAP and get your money back. Good luck on what ever you do.
From this seller - http://cgi.ebay.com/Mariano-Rivera-09-U ... 335b5ba3c2
Which Now he has relisted the card after ebay told me that he would not be able to relist the card again and they are currently investigating ::facepalm::
I took a chance on it because I know there were similar patches like that which sold early on. When I recieved it ( This goes When I recieve any Logo patch) I check every aspect of the card. I looked for dips, Lifting, Spliting, ECT. ECT. and the final thing I checked was if the patch moved at all. Well The Logo was not even attached to the Jersey :benson: . I could have litterly lifted the whole logo out of the card and put it back in. What amazed me was that there was not any damage to the window whats so ever which was the first time (For me) I had seen that on a card.
99.99% when you get a fake Logo you will see some sort of window damage be it small you will still see it. Now the seller that I bought the Fake Rivera from and the seller of the Konerko are not related (I dont think) so the cards he has could possibly be legit. Also Watchmen does not seem to Privatize his buyers (Which should have been a big red flag for me on the Rivera) so he has that going for him. The thing that scares me is that he has/had a 2005 absolute reverse Matsui jumbo jersey card with a Tag in it that we all know is fake and if he has one fake he more than likley has more. If you do go after it and recieve it I would look and prod (With out damaging it ofcourse) that card and if you see anything what so ever that would make you even more suspisious I would file a dispute ASAP and get your money back. Good luck on what ever you do.
ChasHawk
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After seeing those cards in mrwhitesox bucket, I'm going fake on every patch he's got.
mlbsalltimegreats said:I bought this patch :
From this seller - http://cgi.ebay.com/Mariano-Rivera-09-U ... 335b5ba3c2
Which Now he has relisted the card after ebay told me that he would not be able to relist the card again and they are currently investigating ::facepalm::
I took a chance on it because I know there were similar patches like that which sold early on. When I recieved it ( This goes When I recieve any Logo patch) I check every aspect of the card. I looked for dips, Lifting, Spliting, ECT. ECT. and the final thing I checked was if the patch moved at all. Well The Logo was not even attached to the Jersey :benson: . I could have litterly lifted the whole logo out of the card and put it back in. What amazed me was that there was not any damage to the window whats so ever which was the first time (For me) I had seen that on a card.
99.99% when you get a fake Logo you will see some sort of window damage be it small you will still see it. Now the seller that I bought the Fake Rivera from and the seller of the Konerko are not related (I dont think) so the cards he has could possibly be legit. Also Watchmen does not seem to Privatize his buyers (Which should have been a big red flag for me on the Rivera) so he has that going for him. The thing that scares me is that he has/had a 2005 absolute reverse Matsui jumbo jersey card with a Tag in it that we all know is fake and if he has one fake he more than likley has more. If you do go after it and recieve it I would look and prod (With out damaging it ofcourse) that card and if you see anything what so ever that would make you even more suspisious I would file a dispute ASAP and get your money back. Good luck on what ever you do.
Yes, it was faked. Here is a link to the original #32/35. Hope that helps. I had been tracking these:
[ebay:1qus2oe7]180463530835[/ebay:1qus2oe7]
I thought the beltran was fake when I first saw it for the same reason the rivera is. The stitching doesn't look sewn onto the swatch. I bought this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... SA:US:1123
and couldn't stand how the blue was sticking out. I had to push hard using a toothpick-like tool and was successful without doing any damage to the card. The beltran logo seller seems to be proud of his work (of not damaging the card) with all those photos in the description.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... SA:US:1123
and couldn't stand how the blue was sticking out. I had to push hard using a toothpick-like tool and was successful without doing any damage to the card. The beltran logo seller seems to be proud of his work (of not damaging the card) with all those photos in the description.
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Thanks for all the replies. I think I wanted this one to be real too much and you all talked me off the ledge. The rational side of me knew what was right but the set builder looking for a nice patch started talking an awfully good game.
Also thanks for the info on the Rivera. I knew it looked fake but seeing the original scan was a big help.
Also thanks for the info on the Rivera. I knew it looked fake but seeing the original scan was a big help.
kdailey4315
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I say fake just because it looks like every legit Ultimate patch like those are put in either upside down or off axis. I have seen one yet that is perfectly on axis as that one is.
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I have a couple cards that I'd like to cross reference, bought them from a show locally. Can you share the link to the ones you have tracked?nevermore said:mlbsalltimegreats said:I bought this patch :
From this seller - http://cgi.ebay.com/Mariano-Rivera-09-U ... 335b5ba3c2
Which Now he has relisted the card after ebay told me that he would not be able to relist the card again and they are currently investigating ::facepalm::
I took a chance on it because I know there were similar patches like that which sold early on. When I recieved it ( This goes When I recieve any Logo patch) I check every aspect of the card. I looked for dips, Lifting, Spliting, ECT. ECT. and the final thing I checked was if the patch moved at all. Well The Logo was not even attached to the Jersey :benson: . I could have litterly lifted the whole logo out of the card and put it back in. What amazed me was that there was not any damage to the window whats so ever which was the first time (For me) I had seen that on a card.
99.99% when you get a fake Logo you will see some sort of window damage be it small you will still see it. Now the seller that I bought the Fake Rivera from and the seller of the Konerko are not related (I dont think) so the cards he has could possibly be legit. Also Watchmen does not seem to Privatize his buyers (Which should have been a big red flag for me on the Rivera) so he has that going for him. The thing that scares me is that he has/had a 2005 absolute reverse Matsui jumbo jersey card with a Tag in it that we all know is fake and if he has one fake he more than likley has more. If you do go after it and recieve it I would look and prod (With out damaging it ofcourse) that card and if you see anything what so ever that would make you even more suspisious I would file a dispute ASAP and get your money back. Good luck on what ever you do.
Yes, it was faked. Here is a link to the original #32/35. Hope that helps. I had been tracking these:
[ebay:3qt8vjwh]180463530835[/ebay:3qt8vjwh]
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