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I think Hamilton outedges Miggy now, but it is a shame b/c Miggy has virtually no one to play with. Miggy will have to hit .340 with 45 HR to win it, I believe
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Agreed. Hamilton does Miggy in the Outfield.
(sounds gross)
(sounds gross)
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please for the people that are voting for hamilton explain to me how he outedges miggy by looking at these numbers
hamilton 26 hr's...355 avg....81 rbi's...406 obp...621 slugging
cabrera 31 hr's....340 avg...100 rbi's...433 obp...649 slugging
oh yeah by the way hamilton also has hitters around him so he has been walked 36 times to cabreras 71
also hamilton has struck out 15 more times
so how exactly does hamilton beat out cabrera?
hamilton 26 hr's...355 avg....81 rbi's...406 obp...621 slugging
cabrera 31 hr's....340 avg...100 rbi's...433 obp...649 slugging
oh yeah by the way hamilton also has hitters around him so he has been walked 36 times to cabreras 71
also hamilton has struck out 15 more times
so how exactly does hamilton beat out cabrera?
Canocollector#1
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Hope Cano! But right now definitely Hamilton.
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KOBEARODLT said:
Because its close enough, that because the Rangers are in first by a lot and the Tigers suck. Now I know that has not always mattered, but I think it does.
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Canocollector#1 said:
close is between pujols and votto..this is not, hamilton leads him in avg only and its only by .15 cabrera has him by 5 hr's and 19 rbis...and as i said before its harder for cabrera because he has been walked almost 40 more times than hamilton because no one else on his team can do anything
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the key is MVP! take Cabrera off the Tigers and where are they? they still suck! take Hamilton out of Texas line up and where are they? not where they are now. not close.KOBEARODLT said:
KOBEARODLT said:
Hamilton plays average defense to slightly above average mostly at a premium position.
Cabrera plays slightly below average defense at a non premium position.
How the voters will think:
1. Hamilton plays on a winning team. Cabrera does not.
2. Hamilton winning MVP will make a better story.
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nosterbor said:
well i guess it just goes by what people think MVP means..i think it is suppose to go to the best player in the nl and al, cabrera is by far the best player this year out of BOTH leagues, its not his fault the team he is on is not good....so i guess to me MVP should go to the best player in the entire league but i guess im wrong
Sorry all you Hamilton lovers, but this is a year where Cabrera's numbers BLOW AWAY Hamilton's, and a first place vs. a third place team will not matter...
In 30 less at bats and he's got the same number of doubles, more HR's (2nd in AL), more RBI's (1st in AL), more walks (3rd in AL), less strikeouts, a better OBP (1st in AL), a better Slugging percentage (1st in AL) and a better OPS (1st in AL). And while Hamiton does have a better Average...Cabrera is still #2 in the AL.
Hell, the man is actually pretty damn close to the Triple Crown.
On top of that, Hamilton's got Cruz, Guerrero, Young, Kinsler all hitting around him...and without Hamilton, they still have a good chance of being in 1st place in that division. Without Cabrera, sure, Detroit would still be bad...but they'd probably be down below KC and Cleveland in the Central.
The award is Cabrera's to lose and it really shouldn't be much of a debate.
In 30 less at bats and he's got the same number of doubles, more HR's (2nd in AL), more RBI's (1st in AL), more walks (3rd in AL), less strikeouts, a better OBP (1st in AL), a better Slugging percentage (1st in AL) and a better OPS (1st in AL). And while Hamiton does have a better Average...Cabrera is still #2 in the AL.
Hell, the man is actually pretty damn close to the Triple Crown.
On top of that, Hamilton's got Cruz, Guerrero, Young, Kinsler all hitting around him...and without Hamilton, they still have a good chance of being in 1st place in that division. Without Cabrera, sure, Detroit would still be bad...but they'd probably be down below KC and Cleveland in the Central.
The award is Cabrera's to lose and it really shouldn't be much of a debate.
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Canocollector#1 said:
Agreed. But I don't think it's just a two-horse race 'cuz I think Cano will be alot closer 2nd or 3rd than people think.
And it's not 'cuz he's a Yankee, he is having a MONSTER season for a playoff team when a couple of their "big guns" are having down years.
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KOBEARODLT said:
It's the most VALUABLE player. As in, the player who has the most value to his team.
Like has been said, take Hamilton off of the Rangers and they aren't in first.
Take Cabrera off the Tigers and they are just as bad.
That's why Hamilton MAY win the award, because Cabrera isn't exactly head and shoulders better than Hamilton. Is it fair? No. but neither is life, so I guess there's that.
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Sly said:
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KOBEARODLT said:
Sir I like the cut of your jib
It's true though! you provided all the numbers and Miggy's are better plus like you said he is mashing with little protection right now.Shep :ugeek:
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Yes, Cano is mashing...but here's his problem:
April - .400 BA
May - .336
June - .333
July - .276
August - .237
Cano is fading and fading fast. And I hate to say it to all the Yankees fans, but for a Yankee to win MVP, he's going to have to be far and away the best player in the league, such as A-Rod was in 2007, and while Cano is having a great year, he is not unquestionably the best player in the league.
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Ok, who are the Three Stooges who voted for Young, Mauer, and Konerko??
I'm a diehard Tigers fan and I voted for Hamilton. At this point, the stats are close enough and it's just too good of a story for writers not to vote for Hamilton. That said, if Miggy gets on a HR tear and challenges for a Triple Crown, all bets are off.
Gonzaleznut
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Hamilton...hands down. Without Hamilton the Rangers are an under 500 team.
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I voted Hamilton, but only because they are going to the playoffs and the Tigers suck
A bit OT: Is Cabrera really making $20,000,000 this season???? :shock:
A bit OT: Is Cabrera really making $20,000,000 this season???? :shock:
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If Detroit was in the race I would give it to Miguel Cabrera. But they aren't. And this isn't to say Miguel won't take it. B/c he's so damn close.
It's not like Josh Hamilton is having just an above average season for his talent like Cano. His OPS is 1.023 and Miggy's is 1.082...
I will agree Miggy's #'s are better but Josh Hamilton is having just as superior a year as Miggy and Rangers are in 1st and Tigers are out of it.
It's not like Josh Hamilton is having just an above average season for his talent like Cano. His OPS is 1.023 and Miggy's is 1.082...
I will agree Miggy's #'s are better but Josh Hamilton is having just as superior a year as Miggy and Rangers are in 1st and Tigers are out of it.
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