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Exposfan

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For Melky Cabrera and Ryan Verdugo

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RT @Royals Royals acquire LHP Jonathan Sanchez and Ryan Verdugo from Giants for OF Melky Cabrera.

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markakis8

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Wow Giants came out WAY on top in this one. Stupid move by the Royals. If they were going to trade Melky for pitching, they could've found someone better. Melky is coming off a career year with 200 hits.
 
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TomMurry

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I think the Royals need for pitching and the need to "make room" in the OF made this a good move for them. Agree that they might have been able to get more if they shopped Cabrera around, but its done and both teams seemed to have gotten what they needed.
 
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Zymco

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markakis8 said:
Wow Giants came out WAY on top in this one. Stupid move by the Royals. If they were going to trade Melky for pitching, they could've found someone better. Melky is coming off a career year with 200 hits.
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Exactly, why its a great trade for the Royals. Cabrera's value will never be higher. Coming into 2011 he had never hit over .280. The Royals desperately needed major league starting pitching and they just got a big time lefty arm. Sanchez has a ton of talent. Also the Royals have several guys' that are waiting to battle for the center field position in Cain, Dyson, and Robinson. The Royals bought way low on Cabrera and sold very high.
 
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SeattleSports

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Danny Hultzen, Taijuan Walker, James Paxton, Jose Campos.

The M's top 4 prospects are pitchers and they're all top 100 overall prospects. They need a bat, desperately. It's been rumored out of Seattle for a while that the most likely offseason move was trading Pineda,
 
Exposfan

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Wes said:
Exposfan said:
Seattle should lose thier franchise if they trade Pineda this offseason.
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Doesn't it depend who they trade him for? What if they move him and Smoak for Votto?
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Wes- IMO No- Pitchers who did what Pineda did last year don't grow on trees - you keep them till Free Agency-

No way am I trading Pineda AND Smoak for Votto- Especially with all the money its going to cost to keep Votto thru ARB/ and FA
 
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henwo

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Wow as a Giants fan, I feel like they way overpaid for Melky. Sanchez, although erratic still might put it all together one day. And Verdugo is a promising lefty reliever who was transitioned to starting last season.
 
sheetskout

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I don't care if the Mariners are offered Miguel Cabrera. There are some things you don't deal. And one of them is a strikeout potential-frontline starter who is under financial control for years.
 
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sportscardtheory

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Zymco said:
markakis8 said:
Wow Giants came out WAY on top in this one. Stupid move by the Royals. If they were going to trade Melky for pitching, they could've found someone better. Melky is coming off a career year with 200 hits.
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Exactly, why its a great trade for the Royals. Cabrera's value will never be higher. Coming into 2011 he had never hit over .280. The Royals desperately needed major league starting pitching and they just got a big time lefty arm. Sanchez has a ton of talent. Also the Royals have several guys' that are waiting to battle for the center field position in Cain, Dyson, and Robinson. The Royals bought way low on Cabrera and sold very high.
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Uh, 38-46 career record, 4.26 career ERA with 4 wins last season is a "big time lefty arm"? The Giants made out big in this deal.
 
Wes

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sheetskout said:
I don't care if the Mariners are offered Miguel Cabrera. There are some things you don't deal. And one of them is a strikeout potential-frontline starter who is under financial control for years.
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Exposfan said:
Wes said:
Exposfan said:
Seattle should lose thier franchise if they trade Pineda this offseason.
Click to expand...

Doesn't it depend who they trade him for? What if they move him and Smoak for Votto?
Click to expand...


Wes- IMO No- Pitchers who did what Pineda did last year don't grow on trees - you keep them till Free Agency-

No way am I trading Pineda AND Smoak for Votto- Especially with all the money its going to cost to keep Votto thru ARB/ and FA
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Don't nitpick the example. The point is that it's ridiculous hyperbole to say that a city should lose its franchise if it trades one player. Nobody is untradable.

Pineda for Evan Longoria and Matt Moore. Pick that apart.
 
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Zymco

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sportscardtheory said:
Zymco said:
markakis8 said:
Wow Giants came out WAY on top in this one. Stupid move by the Royals. If they were going to trade Melky for pitching, they could've found someone better. Melky is coming off a career year with 200 hits.
Click to expand...

Exactly, why its a great trade for the Royals. Cabrera's value will never be higher. Coming into 2011 he had never hit over .280. The Royals desperately needed major league starting pitching and they just got a big time lefty arm. Sanchez has a ton of talent. Also the Royals have several guys' that are waiting to battle for the center field position in Cain, Dyson, and Robinson. The Royals bought way low on Cabrera and sold very high.
Click to expand...

Uh, 38-46 career record, 4.26 career ERA with 4 wins last season is a "big time arm"? The Giants made out big in this deal.
Click to expand...


In six seasons is averaging 9.4 strike outs per 9 innings. Can throw hard from the left side and at this point the Royals rotation looks like this.
Luke Hochevar
Danny Duffy
Felipe Paulino???
Sean O'Sullivan???
 
Wes

Wes

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sportscardtheory said:
Zymco said:
markakis8 said:
Wow Giants came out WAY on top in this one. Stupid move by the Royals. If they were going to trade Melky for pitching, they could've found someone better. Melky is coming off a career year with 200 hits.
Click to expand...

Exactly, why its a great trade for the Royals. Cabrera's value will never be higher. Coming into 2011 he had never hit over .280. The Royals desperately needed major league starting pitching and they just got a big time lefty arm. Sanchez has a ton of talent. Also the Royals have several guys' that are waiting to battle for the center field position in Cain, Dyson, and Robinson. The Royals bought way low on Cabrera and sold very high.
Click to expand...

Uh, 38-46 career record, 4.26 career ERA with 4 wins last season is a "big time arm"? The Giants made out big in this deal.
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Using wins or career record against a Giants pitcher is laughable. Tim Lincecum had a losing record this year with a 2.74 ERA and 220 K's. Matt Cain is 69-74 on his career.

Sanchez isn't a star, but his K rates and Batting Average Against are indicators of strong performance.
 
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sportscardtheory

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Zymco said:
sportscardtheory said:
Zymco said:
markakis8 said:
Wow Giants came out WAY on top in this one. Stupid move by the Royals. If they were going to trade Melky for pitching, they could've found someone better. Melky is coming off a career year with 200 hits.
Click to expand...

Exactly, why its a great trade for the Royals. Cabrera's value will never be higher. Coming into 2011 he had never hit over .280. The Royals desperately needed major league starting pitching and they just got a big time lefty arm. Sanchez has a ton of talent. Also the Royals have several guys' that are waiting to battle for the center field position in Cain, Dyson, and Robinson. The Royals bought way low on Cabrera and sold very high.
Click to expand...

Uh, 38-46 career record, 4.26 career ERA with 4 wins last season is a "big time arm"? The Giants made out big in this deal.
Click to expand...


In six seasons is averaging 9.4 strike outs per 9 innings. Can throw hard from the left side and at this point the Royals rotation looks like this.
Luke Hochevar
Danny Duffy
Felipe Paulino???
Sean O'Sullivan???
Click to expand...

Who cares about strikeouts when you can't win games and help keep the other team from scoring a lot of runs.
 
Exposfan

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Wes said:
sheetskout said:
I don't care if the Mariners are offered Miguel Cabrera. There are some things you don't deal. And one of them is a strikeout potential-frontline starter who is under financial control for years.
Click to expand...

Exposfan said:
Wes said:
Exposfan said:
Seattle should lose thier franchise if they trade Pineda this offseason.
Click to expand...

Doesn't it depend who they trade him for? What if they move him and Smoak for Votto?
Click to expand...


Wes- IMO No- Pitchers who did what Pineda did last year don't grow on trees - you keep them till Free Agency-

No way am I trading Pineda AND Smoak for Votto- Especially with all the money its going to cost to keep Votto thru ARB/ and FA
Click to expand...

Don't nitpick the example. The point is that it's ridiculous hyperbole to say that a city should lose its franchise if it trades one player. Nobody is untradable.

Pineda for Evan Longoria and Matt Moore. Pick that apart.
Click to expand...


Wes- no way TB offers that. I doubt TB would offer either or for Pineda because of upside and contract situation.
 
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