It is wrong for a purchaser to lie to the seller about the value of the card. Period. A seller's foolish failure to find out the true value of his card does not excuse the buyer's lie.
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Why do people get upset when other people get a steal?
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That's how I remembered it, I thought the guy that got the Machado in a pack asked if anyone knew if this guy was any good and how much the card was worth. The guy that got the "steal" knew but kept his mouth shut then asked if he wanted to sell it and the guy sold it to him for a few dollars. It wasn't clear that the seller owned a shop, it sounded like he was a customer in the first post and later it was claimed he ran a table at a flea market. I couldn't figure out why a guy selling packs would all of a sudden decide to open them especially if he didn't even know the best player in the product so it all seemed fishy to me.
I was upset with the OP that got the steal because he withheld information from the buyer, and then I thought he took advantage of the ignorance of the seller buy paying less than 10% of the value of the card. I was also upset with the OP because in my opinion it just takes one instance like this to push someone out of the hobby. Without new collectors there will be no one left to buy all our crap when we're done with it.
magicpapa
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you would think anyone selling a baseball card would know what they have, if not its pretty easy to find out with this internet thingie we have now adays
PujolsCollector
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The player collector thing I dont understand that philosophy of I collect him so I am entitled to it at a cheap price. I collect a guy and I feel that I shoud pay market price for it not 25 under market because I have other cards of that guy. I have had people sell me cards cheap because when you collect a guy like Descalso most people know you are not in for a flip. I do not plan on selling my collection of cards. I am at about 83% completion on Descalso.
But also I do not understand a guy who has a low numbered card trying to put a huge price on cards just because it is low numbered. There is a guy on ebay that has a Finest Red Ref Auto /25 for $100 BIN well I just bought a Mosaic Die Cut Auto /10 for $40 and a Mosaic Die Cut /10 for $35 so really that auto /25 should be around $25-30? I understand making money but not raping people.
But also I do not understand a guy who has a low numbered card trying to put a huge price on cards just because it is low numbered. There is a guy on ebay that has a Finest Red Ref Auto /25 for $100 BIN well I just bought a Mosaic Die Cut Auto /10 for $40 and a Mosaic Die Cut /10 for $35 so really that auto /25 should be around $25-30? I understand making money but not raping people.
sportscardtheory
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"Collecting" in general is intrinsically narcissistic and jealously driven. It's more about being upset it wasn't you who got the steal than being upset at the other person for getting it.
ASTROBURN
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Just because I collect Jeff Bagwell doesnt mean I expect to be offered his cards at insanely cheap prices. But that also doesnt mean that just cuz I collect Bagwell, I should pay more than market value for his cards. Like another Bagwell collector has pointed out, we shouldnt go around advertising to sellers who we collect. They will just raise their prices on your player when they see you comin.
But here on FCB, I see it as more community based, and because I say who I collect, the community here helps with my pc, wether by offering me cards or telling me about them. Just cuz you offer, doesnt mean I'll buy. (not that I can afford any of em right now anyways
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But here on FCB, I see it as more community based, and because I say who I collect, the community here helps with my pc, wether by offering me cards or telling me about them. Just cuz you offer, doesnt mean I'll buy. (not that I can afford any of em right now anyways
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Regardless of whether you are the buyer or seller, it's irrelevant what the other party decides to do AFTER the deal finishes. If the other person can get more for a card, more power to them. If that means triple or more, so be it. I don't understand the above reasoning at all.
PadresFan86
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I personally like when members offer to sell or trade Padres to me from the 90's thread. It only helps me out with my collection. I don't see the logic in not inviting that.
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PadresFan86
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That sucks when that happens. I'm all for helping player collectors out. I send free cards out and pm player collectors deals I find for their player all the time. I really appreciate the help as well, Gwynn545 sent me a message the other night that led me to a nice deal. People just shouldn't expect to buy a card for 5 bucks when they go for 20 dollars all day long.
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magicpapa
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:grouphug: I Guess some people Love Their Cardboard Family more than others.................
AndruwHRJones
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That is what PM's and the trade/selling forum is for. Fortunately not everyone is using that thread to pimp cards they want to sell, but it is quite annoying to most whether they say it or not.
BunchOBull
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The only time I've ever had a problem with sellers flipping cards to player collectors is in those instances when I was 1st underbidder to them on eBay and they outbid me (and every other Thomas collector) for the card.
Hate to tell you dudes (that do that), but you just paid top dollar for the item. I'm not going to pay you more for it just because you outbid me to extort more funds from me.
In the end, it's market control and price fixing. Some flippers will purchase cards just to insure the value of said card remains high on the historical record...even if it means not selling it. I won't purchase from sellers like that, even if it means not getting a card I want.
That said, if a seller found a $100 card for $10 and sells it to me for $100 (meaning, I'm willing to buy it), good on them for being on their game. That's how I fund my collection. I don't go around posting my steals for a reason, but I'm not going to compete with other collectors at auction just to drive the prices up to astronomical ranges.
Hate to tell you dudes (that do that), but you just paid top dollar for the item. I'm not going to pay you more for it just because you outbid me to extort more funds from me.
In the end, it's market control and price fixing. Some flippers will purchase cards just to insure the value of said card remains high on the historical record...even if it means not selling it. I won't purchase from sellers like that, even if it means not getting a card I want.
That said, if a seller found a $100 card for $10 and sells it to me for $100 (meaning, I'm willing to buy it), good on them for being on their game. That's how I fund my collection. I don't go around posting my steals for a reason, but I'm not going to compete with other collectors at auction just to drive the prices up to astronomical ranges.
I hate it when other player collectors send vulgar PM's then accuse me of bidding them only to prove them wrong and then get sent more vulgar laced PM's. Take your 'Truce' PM and shove it where the sun don't shine!
Hendersonfan
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The above reasoning is based on buying a card knowing there are collectors for it and upping the price x3 claiming you are helping them out offering a card that is hard to find. Some might like it but I don't. I don't care how bad I want/need it, that automatically turned me off.
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PadresFan86
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Well, it's not annoying to me. A seller doesn't know what each individual member collects on here so I can see why a seller would "pimp" their cards where they will garner the most attention. Common sense.
Real mature.
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predatorkj
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Been that way for a long time bro. That's why I'm careful with what I tell people about my needs. Lot of cool folks here but also a lot of people who will outbid you on ebay just to try to turn around and sell it to you at double the friggin price.
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predatorkj
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He wouldn't share that info with a card shop owner. To boot, everyone here knows Machado is a big name but if asked, I couldn't give a decent answer about the price any of his cards go for. But I'd be able to tell you if it's low enough, the price would be good. Make sense?
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predatorkj
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True but unless it's Bagwell, I won't probably know the going price. So anything I'd say wouldn't be right. Then what?
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predatorkj
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Dude, I was a buying machine when I entered this hobby. I didn't get mad or leave the hobby because I got burned(which I did a lot)...I got even. If you get burned due to your own ignorance and then are arrogant enough to act like you don't need to educate yourself, you might not belong in any hobby except rock collecting...
