Juan Pierre's HOF chances

[jimmyjam1973]

If you have to make an argument for any player, they shouldn't be in. It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Good/Average.

 

[chompsmcgee]

I know why I think he is not hall worthy......my quote was aimed at the poster taking a jab at the OP. Post that Pierre making the hall is joke but toss in a couple of stats......dont just post to post.

I understood where you were coming from, George - just used your quote as a segue into some stats and banter.

 

[George_Calfas]

I understood where you were coming from, George - just used your quote as a segue into some stats and banter.

Sorry

 

[leatherman]

He's also pretty darn good at putting the ball in play, i.e. not striking out. Since 1961, here are the most qualified seasons for players with 15 times as many plate appearances as strikeouts:

Rk                 Yrs From   To
1      Ozzie Smith  14 1978 1994
2       Tony Gwynn  13 1984 1998
3     Bill Buckner  10 1973 1986
4        Pete Rose  10 1972 1983
5    Don Mattingly   9 1984 1994
6     Felix Millan   9 1968 1976
7      Juan Pierre   8 2001 2011
8     Bill Madlock   8 1975 1983
9       Larry Bowa   8 1975 1983
10   Luis Aparicio   8 1961 1973

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Generated 7/23/2012.

This doesn't make him HOF worthy, but it's still impressive.

 

[Austin]

429 hits. That's how many Tim Raines had in his age 35+ years. I would suspect Pierre will see a similar decline...

Tim Raines was diagnosed with Lupus in his late 30s and missed nearly two seasons to the disease before he made a comeback. The effects of Lupus (constant tiring, sluggishness, etc.) affected his play for many years before and after the diagnosis, so comparing Raines to Pierre in their late 30s is foolish and ignorant.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

Although obviously important, HOF isn't all about stats. Will voters think his contributions to the game, character, sportsmanship, etc put him over the top?

 

[alabamalongsnake]

to answer the question - his best shot is buying a Greyhound bus pass and a ticket when he gets there.

In all seriousness - I think if he could get to 3000 but I don't see that happening.

 

[Frow]

Although obviously important, HOF isn't all about stats. Will voters think his contributions to the game, character, sportsmanship, etc put him over the top?

I don't think that matters that much to voters. If it did Buck O'neil would be in it.

 

[BBCgalaxee]

He's one of those players who people ask "is he still playing?"

 

[RogerMarisCollector61]

I like Juan Pierre a lot and he is a nice player, but he is not a hall of famer. With that said, he may make the hall of fame if he gets to 3,000 hits due to the writers love for milestones. I wouldn't vote for him though.

 

[Hallsgator]

Haven't read anything, but.....HAHAHAHAHA

 

[UMich92]

Tim Raines was diagnosed with Lupus in his late 30s and missed nearly two seasons to the disease before he made a comeback. The effects of Lupus (constant tiring, sluggishness, etc.) affected his play for many years before and after the diagnosis, so comparing Raines to Pierre in their late 30s is foolish and ignorant.

I'll fess up to ignorant as I didn't know Raines had Lupus. Not really foolish, since I didn't know. That said, wouldn't Raines' late 30s being affected by disease make his career stats look even better?

 

[phillyfan0417]

I'll fess up to ignorant as I didn't know Raines had Lupus. Not really foolish, since I didn't know. That said, wouldn't Raines' late 30s being affected by disease make his career stats look even better?

Tim Raines numbers are impressive. If Juan Pierre has a few more good years, the idea that he'd get some HOF consideration is not as silly as some of you make it out to be.

 

[markakis8]

Even then, the rest of his statistics are far from HOF worthiness.

Just because someone sticks around long enough to reach 3000 hits while producing marginally everywhere else does not mean he is a HOF'er

How many top 10 finishes in MVP's did he have? How many times was he top 5 in batting, or RBI, or HR? How many times was he an All-Star? How many times did he have a high OPS?

Offense, Defense, etc...Those are all things voters take into account.

Right, but despite all that what the OP is saying is....he would have two magic numbers...one that is has been a virtual lock for every other HOF or HOF to be....would he be the first 3,000 hit player not in the HOF or would he get in?

You have to put your personal opinion of the guy and whether you think he SHOULD be in the HOF or not aside and look at it from the outside.

It's like asking would Jamie Moyer be the first 300 win pitcher NOT in the HOF if he got there. I think it's a very intriguing topic to debate and I say he would get in if he gets to 3,000.

 

[markakis8]

He's also pretty darn good at putting the ball in play, i.e. not striking out. Since 1961, here are the most qualified seasons for players with 15 times as many plate appearances as strikeouts:

Rk                 Yrs From   To
1      Ozzie Smith  14 1978 1994
2       Tony Gwynn  13 1984 1998
3     Bill Buckner  10 1973 1986
4        Pete Rose  10 1972 1983
5    Don Mattingly   9 1984 1994
6     Felix Millan   9 1968 1976
7      Juan Pierre   8 2001 2011
8     Bill Madlock   8 1975 1983
9       Larry Bowa   8 1975 1983
10   Luis Aparicio   8 1961 1973

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Generated 7/23/2012.

This doesn't make him HOF worthy, but it's still impressive.

I remembering reading/hearing somewhere that in one season he had, every time he swung, he made contact with the ball (foul or fair) over 95% of the time. To me, that's REALLY impressive.

 

[leatherman]

Another stat:

Juan Pierre has four 200 hit seasons. Here is a list of players NOT in the HOF with four or more 200 hit seasons:

Rk                       Yrs
1              Pete Rose  10
2           Steve Garvey   6
3            Vada Pinson   4
4             Jack Tobin   4
5   Shoeless Joe Jackson   4

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Generated 7/24/2012.

 

[thefatguy]

Does this look like a HOF progression?

 

[gt2590]

Which HOF are we talking about here?