Adam Dunn might hit 600 HR, would he make the HOF?

[ThoseBackPages]

If Thome can get in, so can Dunn

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

Yeah but Andruw doesn't play every day. I don't see Adam Dunn becoming a role player any time soon. He's going to play every day.

After signing a $36M, 2-yr contract at age 32, people didn't think Jones was going to be a role player either

 

[nosterbor]

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OBP=.337
OBS=.666
= still sucks.
Wayne Gross had a SLUG % of .3949 and ranked 999th all time, so where does Smith's Slug of .337 rank him all time? Yea he was hard to strike out but his stats of hitting SUCKED!

 

[George_Calfas]

OBP=.337
OBS=.666
= still sucks.
Wayne Gross had a SLUG % of .3949 and ranked 999th all time, so where does Smith's Slug of .337 rank him all time? Yea he was hard to strike out but his stats of hitting SUCKED!

Dunn has two major flaws, fielding and Ks.......and you compare his Hall chances with Ozzie. Dunn career BA .242.....Ozzie .262, but hey Dunn has more HR and higher Slug.

The Ozzie Smith in the Hall comparisons are tired and laughable.

 

[RiceLynnEvans75]

OBP=.337
OBS=.666
= still sucks.
Wayne Gross had a SLUG % of .3949 and ranked 999th all time, so where does Smith's Slug of .337 rank him all time? Yea he was hard to strike out but his stats of hitting SUCKED!

Uhhhhhh, you do know that shortstops were never expected to be offensive machines right?

 

[markakis8]

After signing a $36M, 2-yr contract at age 32, people didn't think Jones was going to be a role player either

That was more than a few years ago. The Andruw Jones HOF debate has been prevalent on these boards since his role playing days with the White Sox, Rangers, and Yankees. Also Andruw Jones put himself in the position he is today but becoming extremely lazy. Dunn is not lazy.

 

[thefatguy]

OBP=.337
OBS=.666
= still sucks.
Wayne Gross had a SLUG % of .3949 and ranked 999th all time, so where does Smith's Slug of .337 rank him all time? Yea he was hard to strike out but his stats of hitting SUCKED!

You do realize you are talking about one of the greatest fielding SS ever, right?

OK, just checking.

 

[markakis8]

Dunn has two major flaws, fielding and Ks.......and you compare his Hall chances with Ozzie. Dunn career BA .242.....Ozzie .262, but hey Dunn has more HR and higher Slug.

The Ozzie Smith in the Hall comparisons are tired and laughable.

With the way stats are measured today, I would like Dunn's OBP of .372 to Ozzie's .337 is more of something to look at. He got on base way more often, drove in way more runs. Would you rather have a guy go 1 for 4 with a single and doesn't strike out or a guy go 1 for 4 with a walk and a home run and 2 strikeouts? which one produces more runs?

 

[markakis8]

You do realize you are talking about one of the greatest fielding SS ever, right?

OK, just checking.

It's laughable to me that when it comes to talking about players like Dunn making the HOF - the "one trick pony" card is played...but when Ozzie is defended, that card is never used. It's "he was a star and the greatest defender at SS of all time" - well....in terms of baseball statistics....that's a one trick pony b/c his offense was pitiful.

Edit to add: Ok the guy stole some bases too....

 

[George_Calfas]

It's laughable to me that when it comes to talking about players like Dunn making the HOF - the "one trick pony" card is played...but when Ozzie is defended, that card is never used. It's "he was a star and the greatest defender at SS of all time" - well....in terms of baseball statistics....that's a one trick pony b/c his offense was pitiful.

Edit to add: Ok the guy stole some bases too....

How is nearly 2500 hits in 19 seasons one trick?

 

[ballerskrip]

I think it will be MUCH closer that some give credit. Why do "compilers" in other sports get so much credit ala Art Monk for example. Did anyone think he was ever a top 3 receiver? How about Emmit Smith? Does anyone talk about the fact that he was NOT good at catching the ball out of the backfield? OR that this team around him made his numbers MUCH better than they should be? Walter Payton would have averaged 150 yards a game behind that line. How about a guy like Blake Griffin who can't do a damn thing other than dunk, yet he is looked at as a superstar. But in baseball, a one dimensional player is very frowned upon.

I am not saying he will get in, but a guy with 550-600 homeruns with no PED ties will get a TON of consideration.

 

[markakis8]

How is nearly 2500 hits in 19 seasons one trick?

If 2500 hits is acceptable, how is 600 HR not?

 

[RiceLynnEvans75]

It's laughable to me that when it comes to talking about players like Dunn making the HOF - the "one trick pony" card is played...but when Ozzie is defended, that card is never used. It's "he was a star and the greatest defender at SS of all time" - well....in terms of baseball statistics....that's a one trick pony b/c his offense was pitiful.

Edit to add: Ok the guy stole some bases too....

So you're using Ozzie Smith's offensive numbers to take away from him. You do realize that there was a time and place in baseball where essentially, any offense from a SS was pretty much a bonus? He wasn't expected to be a big time hitter, he was there for defense. Prior to Ripken, and a little later ARod/Jeter/Nomar/Tejada in the mid to late 90s, it was never really considered an offense producing position, minus an exception here and there.

Yet we're comparing him to a DH and whatever OF position he played, ones in which offense and big numbers are expected? OK......

 

[markakis8]

I think it will be MUCH closer that some give credit. Why do "compilers" in other sports get so much credit ala Art Monk for example. Did anyone think he was ever a top 3 receiver? How about Emmit Smith? Does anyone talk about the fact that he was NOT good at catching the ball out of the backfield? OR that this team around him made his numbers MUCH better than they should be? Walter Payton would have averaged 150 yards a game behind that line. How about a guy like Blake Griffin who can't do a damn thing other than dunk, yet he is looked at as a superstar. But in baseball, a one dimensional player is very frowned upon.

I am not saying he will get in, but a guy with 550-600 homeruns with no PED ties will get a TON of consideration.

Yeah I'm coming across as a Dunn homer here but I'm really not. It wouldn't bother me either way if he makes the HOF or not. It's just laughable to me that people dismiss "600 HR" b/c he struck out a lot and sucks at fielding.

 

[George_Calfas]

If 2500 hits is acceptable, how is 600 HR not?

I was defending Ozzie, not saying Dunn can't make the Hall.

Here is the all time hits list, look at the big name HOF guys with FEWER hits than Ozzie.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_career.shtml?mobile=false

 

[thefatguy]

It's laughable to me that when it comes to talking about players like Dunn making the HOF - the "one trick pony" card is played...but when Ozzie is defended, that card is never used. It's "he was a star and the greatest defender at SS of all time" - well....in terms of baseball statistics....that's a one trick pony b/c his offense was pitiful.

Edit to add: Ok the guy stole some bases too....

Offense is only half the game


There should be no pitchers in the HOF.

 

[George_Calfas]

Yeah I'm coming across as a Dunn homer here but I'm really not. It wouldn't bother me either way if he makes the HOF or not. It's just laughable to me that people dismiss "600 HR" b/c he struck out a lot and sucks at fielding.

600 is 600 and if it is the water mark then he should be in.

What about Papi?

 

[RiceLynnEvans75]

The whole "well this person is better than this person" for the HOF is annoying anyway.

I say no to Dunn. Other than hit a lot of home runs, what has he done? Two all-star games?

 

[markakis8]

So you're using Ozzie Smith's offensive numbers to take away from him. You do realize that there was a time and place in baseball where essentially, any offense from a SS was pretty much a bonus? He wasn't expected to be a big time hitter, he was there for defense. Prior to Ripken, and a little later ARod/Jeter/Nomar/Tejada in the mid to late 90s, it was never really considered an offense producing position, minus an exception here and there.

Yet we're comparing him to a DH and whatever OF position he played, ones in which offense and big numbers are expected? OK......

I'm saying pick a measure for HOFers and stick with it. When it comes to Ozzie Smith people talk about his defense and not much else. When he came to defense, he was the best, when it came to offense, he was one of the worst. That's just fact.

I'm debating those that are saying "all he did was hit the long ball 600 times and he sucked at everything else" using that as an argument as to why he shouldn't be in.

 

[markakis8]

600 is 600 and if it is the water mark then he should be in.

What about Papi?

If Papi gets to 600, why not put him in? Again, I'm not here debating whether Dunn should be in the HOF or not...not right now at least. But the question was raised "If Dunn gets to 600, is he going to be a HOF?" And everyone is simply saying "no"

They all must be on bath sal.....ok I won't go there.