Insanely High Shipping Cost...Thoughts?

[jcmint]

Hive the shipping charges were in the open, I really think its a bad move dinging his dsr's provided he gets the package fast. If you know the charge buy it or pass.

Unless you think $50 is intrinsically fair for shipping, then there is no reason NOT to ding the DSRs. It doesn't matter how we feel about the OP and if he was making a sound decision; DSRs are a rating system, and $50 S/H for something that should be about half that should rate poorly. If the seller doesn't like it, he should charge what it actually costs.

If the OP were complaining, then we flame him for it. But overpriced shipping is overpriced shipping; and we all agree that it's overpriced.

 

[daveyou]

agreed w joe.

example. i charged 19.99 express 1 day w sig confirmation n full insurance. it ended up around $26. auction ended at $2200.

postage clearly shown, i stated clearly the cost of shipping, dude had no issue paying

fast forward to time of feedback. he left me 1 star for s n h charges..

again, i dont think that was fair but hey, what am i gonna do..

the fact that its stated clearly at $50 (i dont condone this fyi) BUT if i, as a buyer, saw this as the seller's terms, i can either pass or buy. and i would NOT **** DSR for excessive shipping BECAUSE? i knew it prior to bidding and winning. i met HIS terms and i was ok with that.

again, no recourse is necessary. move on, u got what u paid for. if he delivers exactly as stated, that a 5 all the way. for me, ay least..

now if he ships first class or something, go nuts..

dave

 

[hive17]

Hive the shipping charges were in the open, I really think its a bad move dinging his dsr's provided he gets the package fast. If you know the charge buy it or pass.

So then why would you ever ding DSRs? Or, do you not view DSRs as a rating system?

 

[morgoth]

So then why would you ever ding DSRs? Or, do you not view DSRs as a rating system?

Knowing how ebay rapes sellers with bad DSR's absolutely. You are just giving ebay a way to rape people and take money out of their pockets. I think DSRs are retarded.

 

[tpeichel]

Also remember that eBay is going to take it's piece of that $50 as well, along with a big paypal fee.

 

[nyc3]

Also remember that eBay is going to take it's piece of that $50 as well, along with a big paypal fee.

Which has nothing to do with anything. You are not allowed to raise your prices (on shipping no less) to pay for your fees. If he wants no fees he can list on craigslist.

 

[hive17]

Knowing how ebay rapes sellers with bad DSR's absolutely. You are just giving ebay a way to rape people and take money out of their pockets. I think DSRs are retarded.

Well, that's fair. I agree that in the majority of bad DSRs left, the seller is the a-hole.

But for all the arguments that "the buyer knew going in, what the shipping costs would be", you could make the same argument that the seller knew that charging nearly double for shipping opened him up to a DSR ding. BOTH parties entered this deal knowing the situation before-hand.

"I don't know what the point of DSRs are, they're XXXXing stupid"--if that's your answer to my question about the point of DSRs, then I will cease my argument, since I can't counter that argument.

 

[morgoth]

Well, that's fair. I agree that in the majority of bad DSRs left, the seller is the a-hole.

But for all the arguments that "the buyer knew going in, what the shipping costs would be", you could make the same argument that the seller knew that charging nearly double for shipping opened him up to a DSR ding. BOTH parties entered this deal knowing the situation before-hand.

"I don't know what the point of DSRs are, they're XXXXing stupid"--if that's your answer to my question about the point of DSRs, then I will cease my argument, since I can't counter that argument.

IMO their whole point was Ebay's pretense to control its sellers it did and didn't like. It wants to go to a Amazon style system with big dealers and controlled costs and profit margins. Small sellers are just hasslels to them. They could basically use this format to sweep out sections of their sellers that for whatever reason they didn't want anymore because they know that no matter how good a seller you are some dipXXXX would give you a 1 on a DSR out of spite or stupidity.

 

[IUjapander]

Being a very new seller, this talk of leaving 1-2 stars on something that was stated clearly in the auction is a little disturbing. Again I'm new to selling, but from what I have seen I would prefer you leave me a negative as you can get four negatives per 200 transactions, but can only get one low star rating per 200 transactions to get the top rated seller discounts. This seems very backwards to me.

I can understand if you are paying a premium shipping cost and you get a PWE, but if a seller describes exactly how they are going to ship, states the price they are charging for the shipping, then you agree and they deliver exactly how they said, how can you punish them for a year based on the contract you agreed to?

I say the "you" as a general you, this post is not directed toward OP or anyone specifically I just don't understand this thought process of dinging sellers even though you got everything you agreed to.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

I have a minimum listing price on all of my auctions and include free shipping on everything. Just like buyers should be working in the shipping into their bids/offers, seller should account for shipping costs if possible.

eBay has stacked the deck against sellers, but I'll price work within the system accordingly to keep the 20% discount. The fewer the opportunities for less than 5 stars...the better.

 

[A_Pharis]

You know - if eBay is "raping" you, an easy way to avoid that is to not use them. Oh, wait - they offer you the biggest market exposure? Welp, play by their rules. I you study up on DSR ratings there are ways to make sure you never get dinged. To avoid s&h dings? Offer free shipping! You'll likely cover shipping with the added bidding. Don't act like it can't be done - TBP Eric tweeted what he got under free shipping from a comic book seller. A seller with their XXXX together will never have to worry about DSR ratings... It's the ones that try to nickel and dime buyers for a tiny bit of extra profit by cutting costs and upping charges that do most of the XXXXXing.

 

[All The Hype]

Bidding or offering on an item is you agreeing to PAY the shipping. It's not an agreement that the shipping cost is FAIR. There's a big difference.

Furthermore, if I'm agreeing to pay a certain shipping price, I expect the actual shipping cost to be at least close to that amount, because that's specifically what I'm paying that extra amount for.

Whatever amount the seller lists for shipping is what he is saying the actual shipping cost will be. If the actual cost of shipping is nowhere near what he charges, then he broke his part of the deal and deserves to get a lower DSR for shipping cost.

So if I pay $50 for shipping, I would expect $50 of actual shipping costs. If not, then how is it fair for them to get 5 stars for that DSR?

 

[dp33]

Being a very new seller, this talk of leaving 1-2 stars on something that was stated clearly in the auction is a little disturbing. Again I'm new to selling, but from what I have seen I would prefer you leave me a negative as you can get four negatives per 200 transactions, but can only get one low star rating per 200 transactions to get the top rated seller discounts. This seems very backwards to me.

I can understand if you are paying a premium shipping cost and you get a PWE, but if a seller describes exactly how they are going to ship, states the price they are charging for the shipping, then you agree and they deliver exactly how they said, how can you punish them for a year based on the contract you agreed to?

I say the "you" as a general you, this post is not directed toward OP or anyone specifically I just don't understand this thought process of dinging sellers even though you got everything you agreed to.

The difference to me is that the contract you agree to only stipulates that you have to pay the shipping cost that they have listed in the auction. It does not say that you have to agree that what they are charging is 5-star worthy. Like hive17 said, sellers also enter into the agreement knowing that excessive shipping charges might lead to a DSR ding. 200lbhockeyplayer has some good advice in my opinion.

 

[morgoth]

You know - if eBay is "raping" you, an easy way to avoid that is to not use them. Oh, wait - they offer you the biggest market exposure? Welp, play by their rules. I you study up on DSR ratings there are ways to make sure you never get dinged. To avoid s&h dings? Offer free shipping! You'll likely cover shipping with the added bidding. Don't act like it can't be done - TBP Eric tweeted what he got under free shipping from a comic book seller. A seller with their XXXX together will never have to worry about DSR ratings... It's the ones that try to nickel and dime buyers for a tiny bit of extra profit by cutting costs and upping charges that do most of the XXXXXing.

I prefer to let ebay keep as many sellers as possible rather than bombing ones out of existence for something I knew about. If a seller steals, lies or misleads they need to be off ebay. By giving them a 1 star your effectively kicking them off, maybe not right away but it they most likely will get an account restriction and then a freeze in their future, especially if they are new.

 

[A_Pharis]

Then charge accurate shipping? I mean, that seems pretty simple.

 

[dp33]

I prefer to let ebay keep as many sellers as possible rather than bombing ones out of existence for something I knew about. If a seller steals, lies or misleads they need to be off ebay. By giving them a 1 star your effectively kicking them off, maybe not right away but it they most likely will get an account restriction and then a freeze in their future, especially if they are new.

You don't think that sellers are stealing, or at the very least, lying/misleading when they tell you that you have to pay $1 or $20 more than it costs to actually ship that item to you? They pocket the extra $1 or $20 - seems like they have essentially stolen that money from me because I was not aware that it would cost them less than the money that I actually paid them until I get the package at a later date. Is it a deadly serious crime? No. But would I feel bad about dinging them a star or two if they stole $20 from me? Probably not.

 

[morgoth]

You don't think that sellers are stealing, or at the very least, lying/misleading when they tell you that you have to pay $1 or $20 more than it costs to actually ship that item to you? They pocket the extra $1 or $20 - seems like they have essentially stolen that money from me because I was not aware that it would cost them less than the money that I actually paid them until I get the package at a later date. Is it a deadly serious crime? No. But would I feel bad about dinging them a star or two if they stole $20 from me? Probably not.

No it's not because you knew the cost before, stealing would be if they said it would be 20 and then changed it when you went to check out and you didn't catch it.

Also, when ebay gets around to it don't be surprised if only the huge burbank type sports card dealers are left standing if ebay really pushes for a Amazon type platform. A majority of smaller sellers would never be allowed on Amazon and its these guys ebay is trying to get rid of. In my mind these types of issues are not worth it.

 

[A_Pharis]

If that happened, it's not like card sellers would be done for. There are other venues to sell... and - if a ton of sellers went there - then the buyers would follow. The reason they don't succeed now is because eBay is still the best option. WINK WINK.

 

[joey12508]

if i really want a card. and the price includes shipping. i buy it, regardless because i know going in what it will cost.

 

[ThoseBackPages]

did he get the card yet?