Aitx (BG Co.) listed fake Harper autograph

[cgilmo]

The line I don't understand from all stars is where he says unlicensed cards threaten the industry / hobbby. that ain't even remotely true.

 

[cgilmo]

Gilmo needs to find out who started this thread with original title. Has to be someone using a second id? is that legal on FCB for someone to have two id's? Do some ip address research. Find out if it is someone using a second id because they didn't have the balls to do it with real id.

ip is unique

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Anyone know when the eBay auction was canceled? I'm curious as to why the Harper card was destroyed - was it this thread or was it the eBay auction?

And when in the blue hell does eBay actually listen to proof about a card boasting a certified autograph on the front only to actually have a fake autograph - and then act upon it?

 

[Musial Collector]

Actually, it seems like someone acting with integrity if they are willing to admit how they feel negatively about certain aspects but willing to offer support on situations they feel is wrong. Just because someone doesn't like Leaf or BG, it doesn't mean they have to blindly hate on EVERYTHING involving Leaf or BG.

I don't understand that type of classification. It's like politics. People will hate stuff from the opposing party just for the sake of hating them. Believe it or not - intelligent people are well able to separate themselves from their feelings to take individual stands on different situations.

Adam, you are a wise man, this post deserves a Thumbs Up Thanks!!!

 

[cgilmo]

Brian, I have stood next to you at the Beckett booth at the National and saw you filling out submission forms.

submitting at a show is different than normal submissions.

I don't fill them out either.

 

[Gwynn545]

I'll guess 2199. Thanks for the contest, BG! Leaf cards are so beautiful!!

 

[Mario1975]

You must have missed the original title to this thread. My comments are also aimed at prior posts, including your prior post, about leaf and Brian Grey. I also do not believe in the theory that any publicity is good publicity, I don't even know how you could make such an argument. As for proving damages, in New Jersey at least, there is the doctrine of presumed damages for defamation and libel suits.

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Sports Cards by Freedom Card Board.com

 

[Musial Collector]

Anyone know when the eBay auction was canceled? I'm curious as to why the Harper card was destroyed - was it this thread or was it the eBay auction?

And when in the blue hell does eBay actually listen to proof about a card boasting a certified autograph on the front only to actually have a fake autograph - and then act upon it?

My $.02, all eBay needs is a handful of "buyers" to report the auction and eBay will pull it. IMO there does not have to be proof from the buyers standpoint, but the "seller" would have to prove otherwise to be able to relist it.

Thread started on 9/26 at 11:49AM by our own resident Messier. Funny he didnt start a thread here also. :-?

 

[matchpenalty]

Actually, it seems like someone acting with integrity if they are willing to admit how they feel negatively about certain aspects but willing to offer support on situations they feel is wrong. Just because someone doesn't like Leaf or BG, it doesn't mean they have to blindly hate on EVERYTHING involving Leaf or BG.

I don't understand that type of classification. It's like politics. People will hate stuff from the opposing party just for the sake of hating them. Believe it or not - intelligent people are well able to separate themselves from their feelings to take individual stands on different situations.

No it's someone acting like a *******. Ranting and raving about hating Leaf and everything they stand for. Never ever posting in a Leaf thread again.

Then a Leaf contest is up. They go and post in that thread and any other Leaf thread that comes up about anything negative. Has nothing to do with politics.

 

[hoopster3977]

submitting at a show is different than normal submissions.

I don't fill them out either.

He stated he never filled out submission forms. False statement posted. So if the card was rejected by Beckett, why was the card listed for sale? Just because it didn't make the minimum grade?

If he bought this card in person as stated, he probably has bought identical autograph cards and should have seen the discrepancy. I'm not buying his excuse.

 

[A_Pharis]

Adam, you are a wise man, this post deserves a Thumbs Up Thanks!!!

Thank you, sir!

 

[matchpenalty]

My $.02, all eBay needs is a handful of "buyers" to report the auction and eBay will pull it. IMO there does not have to be proof from the buyers standpoint, but the "seller" would have to prove otherwise to be able to relist it.

Thread started on 9/26 at 11:49AM by our own resident Messier. Funny he didnt start a thread here also. :-?

Very interesting. Does he still post here or jump ship to BO. paging messier

 

[A_Pharis]

No it's someone acting like a *******. Ranting and raving about hating Leaf and everything they stand for. Never ever posting in a Leaf thread again.

Then a Leaf contest is up. They go and post in that thread and any other Leaf thread that comes up about anything negative. Has nothing to do with politics.

If you are talking about Jeff, then I agree, but I wouldn't hold that standard to everyone. I, personally, am not a big fan of Leaf. I don't like the way BG handles stuff, but I know I don't handle all things well, either. I think there are releases that Leaf uses to mimic earlier success by other companies, and - while that doesn't float my boat - it also doesn't mean I'm going to crucify them on everything that comes up.

Once again, however, there are limited cases I agree with you - but I don't think a blanket statement about Leaf haters having to always blindly hate Leaf is very fair. I mean, people get blasted for "blindly hating on Leaf" then they get blasted with "Hey, you should still be blindly hating on Leaf!" Get what I'm saying?

 

[George_Calfas]

Very interesting. Does he still post here or jump ship to BO. paging messier

He like many of the other posters on the BO thread still post here.......double duty.

 

[A_Pharis]

He stated he never filled out submission forms. False statement posted. So if the card was rejected by Beckett, why was the card listed for sale? Just because it didn't make the minimum grade?

If he bought this card in person as stated, he probably has bought identical autograph cards and should have seen the discrepancy. I'm not buying his excuse.

Ralph: I support your passion, but I imagine that cards trade hands to Leaf in times that don't directly involve BG. Also, don't underestimate the volume at which these deals are made. Every business is going to have stuff slip through the cracks - and BG/Leaf are not graders or 3rd party authenticators. 9 out of 10 people who would have purchased that Harper would have assumed it was real.

 

[Musial Collector]

No it's someone acting like a *******. Ranting and raving about hating Leaf and everything they stand for. Never ever posting in a Leaf thread again.

Then a Leaf contest is up. They go and post in that thread and any other Leaf thread that comes up about anything negative. Has nothing to do with politics.

This thread was compared to a political thread, where as a lot of posters cant see "across the aisle" if they are a Leaf hater.

He like many of the other posters on the BO thread still post here.......double duty.

No double duty on this one though. One would think he would have posted here too. He's done it plenty of times in the past, started a thread there and here.

 

[A_Pharis]

This thread was compared to a political thread, where as a lot of posters cant see "across the aisle" if they are a Leaf hater.

Yeah, I used "like in politics" as a simile. It was an example of where you could find similar rationale.

 

[George_Calfas]

No double duty on this one though. One would think he would have posted here too. He's done it plenty of times in the past, started a thread there and here.

Agreed.......actually surprising how many members frequent both site (and I guess more sites as well).

 

[A_Pharis]

I have 10 posts on BO... Please, FCB - DON'T BANISH ME! ;-)

(I think all 10 are in threads saying something about FCB)

 

[i43770]

He stated he never filled out submission forms. False statement posted. So if the card was rejected by Beckett, why was the card listed for sale? Just because it didn't make the minimum grade?

If he bought this card in person as stated, he probably has bought identical autograph cards and should have seen the discrepancy. I'm not buying his excuse.

So what should he do if the card doesn't meet the minimum grade? Throw it away, destroy it, what?