Why no love for Yadier Molina for MVP?

[matfanofold]

You are right more non baseball fans know of Posey, Harper, Braun but in baseball circles I believe Molinas name has to be there.

I think it goes beyond that really. When I think of active great players I think of Posey, Braun, McCutch, ect... Molina simply does not jump to mind. And right or wrong, I do not think I am alone on this..

 

[Crewfan82]

If a catcher wins it is going to be Posey, and I think a catcher wins this year. The same reason Braun won MVP last year will be the reason he doesn't this year. Good ole' gotta be on a contender unwritten rule.

 

[Pine Tar]

Because he is a catcher on a team that may not make the Playoffs unless they win out

 

[cards01fan]

thanks for your thoughts!

 

[BigAppleJak]

As a Molina collector, I think he deserves a little more love, especially this year when after the Pujols exit he has filled in as an offensive weapon!

But MVP, nah...

 

[George_Calfas]

Most Valuable Player......not Most Valuable Hitter or Defender......MVP should be a complete player.

WAR is a broken stat with a built in defensive bias which skews the players total value to a team. Example: if you have two players; 1 CF and 1 1B, with equal offensive stats and errors made the CF will beat the 1B based on this bias. The Kool Aid is spiked.

 

[nyc3]

The fact you had to tell me his stats says it all.

 

[cards01fan]

The fact you had to tell me his stats says it all.

. I didn't see his stats posted?

 

[Frow]

You are right more non baseball fans know of Posey, Harper, Braun but in baseball circles I believe Molinas name has to be there.

I would have to disagree there. With games like "Name that Molina" and how well know all the Molina brothers have been for the past 12+ years plenty people know who he is.

 

[jbhofmann]

Most Valuable Player......not Most Valuable Hitter or Defender......MVP should be a complete player.

WAR is a broken stat with a built in defensive bias which skews the players total value to a team. Example: if you have two players; 1 CF and 1 1B, with equal offensive stats and errors made the CF will beat the 1B based on this bias. The Kool Aid is spiked.

This bias has been in place for decades. People will always take Mays/Mantle over the lumbering 1B.

 

[James52411]

Defensive metrics are insufficiently developed to be entirely accurate in measuring a player's true worth. Yadi has had an excellent season, but 75 RBI and excellent defense is not an MVP, particularly since the Cards have arguably under performed this year given their talent.

 

[LazerShow15]

Because BRAUNY deserves it.

 

[George_Calfas]

Defensive metrics are insufficiently developed to be entirely accurate in measuring a player's true worth. Yadi has had an excellent season, but 75 RBI and excellent defense is not an MVP, particularly since the Cards have arguably under performed this year given their talent.

How have they "Under" preformed? They lost their staff ace in ST, the 2011 Come Back players went down early, Garcia out, Jay out and many other players went on the DL........hell they had to call up Mike Adams to get through a month stretch. Granted the bullpen has hurt them but they are young and lack experience. If you told me the team would be in the hunt come Oct I would have been extremely happy.

Yadi, and other catchers, have a hell of a job to do controlling the pitching staff. No honest Cards fan would have projected Lynn to have 18 wins and Joe Kelly, who should still be in Memphis, a rookie with a sub 4 ERA.........Yadi has done a hell of a job. He might not be the league MVP but the Cards are screwed w/o him.......that to me is the measure of the MVP.

 

[James52411]

The cards have five legit mashers with Holliday, Beltran, Freese, Craig, and Molina. They have four good to very good starters: Loshe has 18 wins, Lynn has 16 wins, Wainwright has been pretty good and Westbrook is a good #4. They have plenty of good arms in the bullpen. I look at their talent and compare it to the Reds and there isn't that much of a difference (Cincy has a little deeper pitching and the Cards have a little deeper lineup, especially with Votto out much of the second half), yet Cincy is 10 games better than St. Louis. I can't help but think that the Cards could have been 20 games over .500 with what they have on that team.

 

[ronfromfresno]

To me the argument between Posey and Molina comes down to stats.

Offensively Molina leads Posey in SB 12 to 1 and in WAR 6.8 to 6.7 and defensively he catches more runners 46% to 30%.

Offensively Posey, in 35 less AB, has 13 more runs, 17 more hits, 10 more 2B, 1 more HR and 3B, 25 more RBI's, walked 24 more times, has a 20 points lead in batting average, 33 points lead in OBP, 40 points lead in SLG, 73 points lead in OPS.

Posey is also currently second in the NL, behind Melky, in BA with a .336. To me these are impressive stats for a catcher and the main reason more people are talking about Posey as an MVP compared to Molina.

 

[TNP777]

Because BRAUNY deserves it.

good Lord - stop already

 

[LazerShow15]

good Lord - stop already

You cannot deny the stats people, and he brought them back from 12.5 back and into the race at the end. Look at the stats and tell me he is not most valuable player, now you guys are picking a catcher, if Posey is so good, he would have Lincecum pitching like he is supposed to be.

 

[George_Calfas]

You cannot deny the stats people, and he brought them back from 12.5 back and into the race at the end. Look at the stats and tell me he is not most valuable player, now you guys are picking a catcher, if Posey is so good, he would have Lincecum pitching like he is supposed to be.

That argument hammers home the Yadi angle; he has helped Lohse post a 16-3 record and 2.86 ERA......Klye Fn Loshe.
Lincy is a star in freefall while Lohse has been redefined.

 

[James52411]

Sometimes pitchers have off seasons or career years. In 2008 when Dempster and Ted Lilly had great season for the Cubs, I don't think it had much to do with Geovany Soto's skill at handling pitchers. Yadi is great defensively, but sometimes guys just have a good year and it's kind of a fluke.

 

[cards01fan]

To me the argument between Posey and Molina comes down to stats.

Offensively Molina leads Posey in SB 12 to 1 and in WAR 6.8 to 6.7 and defensively he catches more runners 46% to 30%.

Offensively Posey, in 35 less AB, has 13 more runs, 17 more hits, 10 more 2B, 1 more HR and 3B, 25 more RBI's, walked 24 more times, has a 20 points lead in batting average, 33 points lead in OBP, 40 points lead in SLG, 73 points lead in OPS.

Posey is also currently second in the NL, behind Melky, in BA with a .336. To me these are impressive stats for a catcher and the main reason more people are talking about Posey as an MVP compared to Molina.

Let's not forget posey has had 86 stolen bases against him! Molina has 36 against him ! You also need to realize posey hits in the three hole and Molina the six hole-good reason for the lack of rbi's.(molina just recentl moved the the five hole)