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What is wrong with some (most) of these National Threads sellers on eBay?
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Agreed.
the fun will be in a couple of years when alot of this stuff is sitting in PC's. There are so many GU'd in this set for players who have almost nothing on the market and its selling for peanuts. Man, it hurts my head when i think of how many players i want to get GU'd of from this release.
It seems to me that people are trying to pop this product and make TONS of money and they are finding that while NT is a good looking product it's just a reality that if you crack on a small scale you're probably not going to make your initial back. This would explain to me why people are overvaluing their hits. It's sort of a freakout factor.
I hope this was somewhat clear.
I hope this was somewhat clear.
Then its the wrong people opening the product. This is made for people who collect HOF stuff and especially those looking for pre-war GU'ed. there are a couple of players in this set that have GU for the first time or very close to it.
uniquebaseballcards
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While this is possibly true now for this particular set, over time people tend to forget how much the product initially costs - or don't care. As we know there are a number of factors that determine how sought after a card is, and initial cost isn't really a big factor after a while.
But take for example Exquisite in basketball. They will always command a premium simply because of the set name. Autos and memorabilia in that set will always be more valuable than other sets with the same offering type.
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uniquebaseballcards
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Basketball isn't the same because high-end means more there then in baseball.
Bob Loblaw
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With a lot of sellers, they'll maintain their high BIN/BOs for years, and when the product dries up, it'll eventually be hit.
hoopster3977
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I have a dual Cobb bat relic from 2012 Tier 1, #'d to /15. This card has not sold online for anything close to the Cobb bat relic's in NT. And it's a licensed.
mrwhitesox30
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I've only won one card, as the prices of HOF buttons and tags from guys who played in the 70's, 80's and 90's seem too high to me. Some of them are twice what a card would sell for a few years ago, and I can't imagine that all HOF buttons have doubled in price in just a few years. There are some genuinely rare vintage GU pieces in this set that might hold value, but I think the prices will come down for guys like Robin Yount, Ron Guidry, Reggie Jackson, etc. It's a hot set now, but in a few months if I have a chance to buy a Reggie Jackson button from this set or another set with full pictures and team logos, that set will win every time.
But the concept of a premium brand still exists. National Treasures is a super premium product, much better than Topps Five Star and Tribute IMO.
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I don't have time to read all 30 comments but to the OP - Welcome to my world lol
The frusterating thing with this new wave of high BINs / BOs on eBay is there are SOME sellers out there who truely feel these high BINs are near fair value... so when you give a real offer on the item (which of course is extremely below the BIN) some sellers freak out and call you a low baller, etc. It creates a frusterating platform to deal on. I'm just glad Belle isn't in this product because I have enough coming out of his in the upcoming releases to make my wallet tighten up lol
The frusterating thing with this new wave of high BINs / BOs on eBay is there are SOME sellers out there who truely feel these high BINs are near fair value... so when you give a real offer on the item (which of course is extremely below the BIN) some sellers freak out and call you a low baller, etc. It creates a frusterating platform to deal on. I'm just glad Belle isn't in this product because I have enough coming out of his in the upcoming releases to make my wallet tighten up lol
Bornagaincollector
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Maybe they are a 3rd party vendor for Burbank!LOL!
I'll be interested to see if the "maintain value" hypothesis works. I would imagine that Panini plans on making NT again next year, and likely has not exhausted their supply of Wee Willie Keeler bat pieces. A full bat has to produce what, a few thousand tiny shards like they use? No doubt the knobs and tags will keep value since those are so so limited inherently. But for regular old relics? Sure they are new and limited. But I'd wager that most of those players will be in the next 1-3 NT releases.
As the the RPA autos...I don't see them touching high-end chrome autos.
Now, no one I PC is in this set so I'm not following it much. But if they were, I'd sit this one out and see how it is affected by subsequent NT releases. But then again, I'm also a pretty patient buyer these days. I'm pretty well convinced that my interest in someone like Mike Minor or Pedro Alvarez will be longer-lived than most folks'.
As the the RPA autos...I don't see them touching high-end chrome autos.
Now, no one I PC is in this set so I'm not following it much. But if they were, I'd sit this one out and see how it is affected by subsequent NT releases. But then again, I'm also a pretty patient buyer these days. I'm pretty well convinced that my interest in someone like Mike Minor or Pedro Alvarez will be longer-lived than most folks'.
bcubs
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This is an interesting point and one I have talked with friends about before. I'm interested in your thoughts why premium high-end in other sports consistently brings more than baseball. Theories we've thrown around are production volumes, number of products, collector mentality of buyers, resources available to buyers, number of buyers, and a few others. This NT discussion is really bringing out the differences which I'm surprised hasn't been talked about much before.
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I think most big money baseball collectors spend their cash on vintage. Less so for the other sports.
NT is the best non-prospect set made in baseball in a long time and those who collect HOF and pre-war GU have wanted something like this for a long time.
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The product we're talking about in this thread *is* indeed licensed as well.
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Interesting points... I'd agree its at least partially because there are more baseball cards than cards from any other major sport (maybe combined?). I'd think individual basketball players would be more popular or valuable because there are fewer basketball players on a basketball team than baseball players on a baseball team; and that baseball collectors are more likely to be set collectors (at least traditionally). Other people have also made good points here.
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I agree as its finally nice to see the HOFER/ESTABLISHED players talked about more in a product than unproven or newer MLB guys. Hofers Finally getting some respect with this Product.
