Greinke breaks his collar bone

[lisu]

Is this on top of the plate?

...honest question

not in my opinion. I would have been unhappy too.

 

[A_Pharis]

What I am trying to understand is the difference between Quentin charging and any "normal" charging of the mound (which results in roughly 5 games suspended). The breaking of the collar bone is moot, because it's an UNINTENDED consequence of charging the mound. If Greinke had thrown a punch and broke his fist - should Quentin be suspended for as long as Greinke is out? No. Why? Because that would have been an unintended consequence of the action. It was a fight - Greinke braced himself wrong and it resulted in a freak break. Hell - for all we know - Quentin could have just grabbed him and threw him to the ground, and Greinke could have broke every bone in his body. Does that mean Quentin should be punished harsher than any other guy that slings a pitcher to the ground?
No. 5 games is enough. The guy charged the mound, Greinke CHOSE to stand ground... and the result is an unnatural result of a mound charge.

I undersand your dismay as a Dodger fan, but that's what it is.

 

[lisu]

No that was not on top of the plate but why would you hit a guy up 1 with a 3-2 count? I was just stating that Quentin gets hit quite a bit and there is a reason for it.

I'm don't know about his past - all I know is that in his present that the ball came inside on him. Greinke has hit him I think 3 times already, and there is bad blood between the two. That one came high and tight and Quentin was done with Greinke hitting him. Greinke made the mistake of lowering his shoulder on a guy who is much bigger than he is.

 

[Casebusters]

They should adopt hockey rules...
as long as the guy doesn't bring his bat to the mound, let the 2 duke it out!
3rd man in gets ejected and everyone else that jumps in gets thrown out too!
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How do you know when the injury happened?
after they are on the ground, you have 40 guys jump on top of them

 

[lisu]

What I am trying to understand is the difference between Quentin charging and any "normal" charging of the mound (which results in roughly 5 games suspended). The breaking of the collar bone is moot, because it's an UNINTENDED consequence of charging the mound. If Greinke had thrown a punch and broke his fist - should Quentin be suspended for as long as Greinke is out? No. Why? Because that would have been an unintended consequence of the action. It was a fight - Greinke braced himself wrong and it resulted in a freak break. Hell - for all we know - Quentin could have just grabbed him and threw him to the ground, and Greinke could have broke every bone in his body. Does that mean Quentin should be punished harsher than any other guy that slings a pitcher to the ground?
No. 5 games is enough. The guy charged the mound, Greinke CHOSE to stand ground... and the result is an unnatural result of a mound charge.

I undersand your dismay as a Dodger fan, but that's what it is.

Agreed. I'm expecting the same suspension for Quentin as for any player who charges the mound. It's sad that Greinke broke his collarbone but that's it.

 

[morgoth]

I want to know when he injury occured if you were going to have that harsh of a penalty. Maybe next time a pitcher will run around the mound like a looney tunes cartoon until help arrives.

 

[A_Pharis]

On Mike and Mike they were asking why A. Gon didn't run in to assist. They were saying that protecting a small pitcher is the #1 priority for the first baseman/catcher - and neither acted very quickly.

 

[ronniedp23]

I'm don't know about his past - all I know is that in his present that the ball came inside on him. Greinke has hit him I think 3 times already, and there is bad blood between the two. That one came high and tight and Quentin was done with Greinke hitting him. Greinke made the mistake of lowering his shoulder on a guy who is much bigger than he is.

Greinke may have hit him 3 times prior, but Quentin has 42 HBP since 2011. When you lead the league in HBP over a two year timespan you don't get to be pissy and charge the mound, you get to adjust your stance.

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[padremurph]

Maybe Greinke will think twice next time before mouthing off to someone? Kemp also seemed to have a lot to say. Wonder if he'll be as talkative after a Clayton Richard or Cashner fastball to the back.

Padres really needed an emotional boost. Hope this gives it to them.

 

[ronniedp23]

Maybe Greinke will think twice next time before mouthing off to someone? Kemp also seemed to have a lot to say. Wonder if he'll be as talkative after a Clayton Richard or Cashner fastball to the back.

Padres really needed an emotional boost. Hope this gives it to them.

Quentin was entirely in the wrong. The man has been HBP 116 times in his career. 42 times in the last two years.

They do not have a leg to stand and need to shut up and move past it, and maybe teach Quentin how to adjust his stance.

I don't necessarily advocate suspension for as long as Greinke is out, but given that drawing an HBP seems to be tradecraft for this guy, I would say a longer suspension is in order.

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[Pine Tar]

That was exactly my fisrt thought, assuming that's him and not Quentin in that picture.

As for Greinke, at least it wasn't a pick-up game of basketball.

Dude, does the guy on the right look like he would be Carlos Quetin, :lol:.
It is Clayton Richard

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[bmp1971]

Greinke should have punched that ass---- in the kisser.

And why didn't A-Gon jump in? Simple. He was praying.

 

[Pine Tar]

Quentin was entirely in the wrong. The man has been HBP 116 times in his career. 42 times in the last two years.

They do not have a leg to stand and need to shut up and move past it, and maybe teach Quentin how to adjust his stance.

I don't necessarily advocate suspension for as long as Greinke is out, but given that drawing an HBP seems to be tradecraft for this guy, I would say a longer suspension is in order.

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Not really Carlos was hit on Tuesday by Dodgers relevier Ronald Ballserio and missed Wednesday's game because of it,so he's may have still been mad over that I guess

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[bmp1971]

Looks like Greinke had some other motives?

 

[lisu]

Greinke may have hit him 3 times prior, but Quentin has 42 HBP since 2011. When you lead the league in HBP over a two year timespan you don't get to be pissy and charge the mound, you get to adjust your stance.

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It looks like he has adjusted his stance. He definitely wasn't crowding the plate. Watch the video.

 

[markakis8]

No that was not on top of the plate but why would you hit a guy up 1 with a 3-2 count? I was just stating that Quentin gets hit quite a bit and there is a reason for it.

That's the question Carlos Quentin - AKA The Dumb Rhino - should've asked himself before charging the mound. Then he could've come to the conclusion that "Hey, he didn't hit me on purpose." What a *******.

Should be interesting when they meet again in LA next week.

 

[markakis8]

Maybe Greinke will think twice next time before mouthing off to someone? Kemp also seemed to have a lot to say. Wonder if he'll be as talkative after a Clayton Richard or Cashner fastball to the back.

Padres really needed an emotional boost. Hope this gives it to them.

I'm not exactly sure a Clayton Richard fastball anywhere will solve anything - lol.

 

[Seiya]

Yea it was a 3-2 count, but of all guys to lose control on and hit, Greinke just had to hit Quentin? C'mon now, if he would've hit anyone else on the team no one would care. But that's the Padres best player, and past bad blood it wasn't going to end well. Hurts the Padres the most though, best player in an already XXXXty offense will be gone 10+ days.

Almost forgot, they hit him in almost the same place just three days ago.

 

[bigbov]

It looks like he has adjusted his stance. He definitely wasn't crowding the plate. Watch the video.[/QUOTE

The pitch is obv too far inside but Quentin steps into it and makes no effort to get out of the way. Same as the Belisario pitch on Tues (it hit him on his back arm in his stance). The guy leads mlb in hbp the last 2 years because he steps in to pitches and then can't get out of the way of the inside ones. He was asked why he charged and responded that his head was thrown at... seriously?? Like you said "watch the video" and tell me how close it was to his head. Hit his left elbow.

 

[ronniedp23]

It looks like he has adjusted his stance. He definitely wasn't crowding the plate. Watch the video.

I did watch The video. Didn't look at all intentional and there was zero effort to move away. Quentin is clearly wrong.

Greinke did not help matters by saying anything, but Quentin has to control himself in those situations.


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