DaClyde
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He could have taken a year off to heal and rehab properly, then. Either way, it's on him, and he still made the hall, so it's about time he stopped his whining.
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He could have taken a year off to heal and rehab properly, then. Either way, it's on him, and he still made the hall, so it's about time he stopped his whining.
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Without tracking each hit he had to that part of the park it would be hard to know for sure, but I figured I'd have some fun with numbers and estimate:
While not perfect, it's pretty reasonable to assume that any hit off the higher part of the Monster that could have been a homer elsewhere, would result in double for Rice (I'm sure it was not always true, but likely pretty close). Rice had 208 doubles at home in his career.
It's hard to say how many doubles were to left field (Baseball Reference only has that kind of info from the late 80's on, but it's probably safe to assume that his doubles were distributed fairly similar to his homers. Taking the numbers from a post above (also from baseball reference) which tracked 273 of his homers we have:
Left Field: 162
Left Center: 12
CenterField: 63
Right Center: 4
Right Field: 12
Combined, Rice hit roughly 64% of his homers to left and left center. If we have 64% of his 208 doubles at home we have 133 doubles to left field.
From there one can estimate how many of the doubles were high and hard enough to go out. I can't imagine more than 25% of those doubles would have gone out (my gut tells me less). 25% of 133 is 33.
Based on this (rough) estimate, but in 16 seasons Rice probably lost about 33 homers, or a tough more than 2 a year...
Of course that ignores the fact that a routine fly to that part of the park can result in a homerun which would be a lazy out in many/most parks, so one might want to look at the distances on his homers and deduct those (it's only fair).
While not perfect, it's pretty reasonable to assume that any hit off the higher part of the Monster that could have been a homer elsewhere, would result in double for Rice (I'm sure it was not always true, but likely pretty close). Rice had 208 doubles at home in his career.
It's hard to say how many doubles were to left field (Baseball Reference only has that kind of info from the late 80's on, but it's probably safe to assume that his doubles were distributed fairly similar to his homers. Taking the numbers from a post above (also from baseball reference) which tracked 273 of his homers we have:
Left Field: 162
Left Center: 12
CenterField: 63
Right Center: 4
Right Field: 12
Combined, Rice hit roughly 64% of his homers to left and left center. If we have 64% of his 208 doubles at home we have 133 doubles to left field.
From there one can estimate how many of the doubles were high and hard enough to go out. I can't imagine more than 25% of those doubles would have gone out (my gut tells me less). 25% of 133 is 33.
Based on this (rough) estimate, but in 16 seasons Rice probably lost about 33 homers, or a tough more than 2 a year...
Of course that ignores the fact that a routine fly to that part of the park can result in a homerun which would be a lazy out in many/most parks, so one might want to look at the distances on his homers and deduct those (it's only fair).
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So "it's on him" because Rice suffered a career-damaging injury and the surgery was not a success?
Wow, we have Jim Rice's personal doctor from 1988 here! I'm glad you could share your professional diagnosis about Rice's recovery efforts and his motivation from 25 years ago.
As for "he still made the hall, so it's about time he stopped his whining," you obviously missed the part where the OP says the article is from a long time ago. He hasn't argued for his HOF credentials for years.
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DaClyde
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You'd have to see video of each ball he hit off the Monster, and compare them to the ones he hit over it. Obviously, if the Monster was a normal 8-10 feet high and 315 feet away, he'd have a ton more homers. So would everyone. But move that 10-foot wall back to a more normal (and, IIRC, regulation) 330-335 feet, and it would probably balance out a bit. He'd probably be over 400, but not 530+.
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MansGame
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This entire thread exists because Jim Rice is not a HOFer. Sorry but I guess just call a spade a spade.
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MansGame
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Technically this thread exists because Jim Rice IS a HOFer
Haha tushay...
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and yet Rice led the league in major categories 3x more than Derek Jeter so far, whom is a few years older than Rice's retirement age.
(that comment ought to add 17 more pages to this thread)
Gwynn545
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and yet Rice led the league in major categories 3x more than Derek Jeter so far, whom is a few years older than Rice's retirement age.
(that comment ought to add 17 more pages to this thread)
Touché!
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and yet Rice led the league in major categories 3x more than Derek Jeter so far, whom is a few years older than Rice's retirement age.
(that comment ought to add 17 more pages to this thread)
Hey, I'll start! Jeter's offensive WAR is still twice that of Rice's.
But I don't know if one can really compare different positions across different eras.
MansGame
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If only being labeled "one of the most feared hitters of his generation" was enough to get you into the HOF.
Best,
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Haha... Your persistence with Albert Belle in almost every situation possible to give him a mention really cracks me up, not that I agree or disagree, but it's almost like when you have listened to the same song over and over and over for so long that it is now becoming comical...
I cant help but think of THIS every time I see you mention him now, lol...
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Austin
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I'm beginning to think that MansGame is Albert Belle.
His persistant bitterness over Belle not being a Hall of Famer, in every thread about Rice, Tim Raines and other players he thinks don't belong in the Hall, is so predictable it's become comical, as you wrote.
For the record, I believe Belle belongs in the Hall too, so it's not a knock against him.
RiceLynnEvans75
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Never mind Rice, what the hell is Rizzuto in the HOF for?
