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Because everything pulled up by Google is fact?If it looks like a duck........... Google is your friend, use it!
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Because everything pulled up by Google is fact?If it looks like a duck........... Google is your friend, use it!
Because everything pulled up by Google is fact?
While I don't think Probstein himself is shilling, I fully believe his consignors do. People say he is too busy to police it. I say it should be part of his job to police it. If he can't do it himself, he should hire someone to do it for him. If you can not provide honest business, you do not deserve to be in business at all. Of course, I doubt him or any other consignor want to police it because it's money out of their pocket.
Just remember people, Google is your friend. Research!
As long as these three known scumbag sellers are outed. I'm GOOD! RESEARCH PEOPLE, RESEARCH!
Listen, you can't police it.
You can't legitimately know someone's intent through a browser. I'm sorry, it sucks, but it's gonna happen.
WalMart has theft reduction employees. Guess what, shoplifting STILL happens, and the price of goods must rise to offset the cost. We are all shilled everyday. Immoral people will be immoral. Rick Probstien or Rick Ross, it makes no difference.
It seems more often than not, that the shilling call out threads (in general, not speaking about any particular poster/seller/etc) lack common sense or are a result of a bidder being pissy that they lost out on an auction to someone else.
Of course it can be policed. Do police catch all criminals? Of course not. But they can do their best to keep things under control. There are just too many times where it is more than obvious. Makes a person wonder what happens when a seller ends up buying his own card under another ID or an obvious other family member or a friend that lives in the same town.
So while I agree you can't catch it all the time, it can be caught some of the times. This is not people shoplifting at Wal Mart. Yes, shilling will always happen. But if you care about your customers, you will do your best to make your auctions as honest and straight up as possible. If you show people you will not tolerate shilling, the less likely it is to happen.
But not just Probstein, Im sure there are no consignors that want to stop it because it would hurt their bottom line.
I guess I'd be curious to hear how it's possible to police this? Not a hypothetical debate of whether or not it's right/wrong to police it, but rather, what real action do you take to police/stop it from happening?
They have over 25,000 active listings and even with a staff of a dozen people or whatever he has these days, there's no way realistic way to police 25,000 auctions. And even if there was a realistic way to figure that part out, what action do you take to stop it?
If you are in business, I'm pretty sure you know the answer to your own questions. I do not have the time or desire to explain and debate. But all in all, as a business of honesty and integrity, a business owner should find a way to figure this out. I don't think it's rocket science.
The Keebler cookie man doesn't sit in the aisle waiting to see if someone steals his cookies.
Wouldn't eBay ultimately be responsible for cleaning this up?
Technically they own the store. Probstein (etc...) are the vendors who put product out.
The Keebler cookie man doesn't sit in the aisle waiting to see if someone steals his cookies.