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This is a post I made this morning on a Cardinals board. Thought I would share it here too.








It is a good thing that I don't have the Internet at home right now because when I heard this new yesterday my head almost exploded.

First I was wondering who in the Hell Royce Ring was. I had literally never heard of him before. I thought he may have been some Cuban defector that had flown under the radar. But then I seen who he was and his stats and I was livid.

I have been reading comments on this signing on MLB Trade Rumors and such and there are a lot of pissed off fans who are saying a LOT of the things that I have been preaching on here for the last few offseasons in which I am slammed pretty hard for saying by a lot of you. But apparently a lot of the fans are FINALLY coming around and getting as pissed as I have been by the way the Cardinals organization has been handling things during the last few offseasons. And it's about time. There was one dude on there who was saying short of just not showing up to the stadium what could be done to show our displeasure. And that's what needs to happen. The fans need an uproar and we need to voice our displeasure or else nothing is ever going to change. We are just going to keep signing the Royce Rings of the league adding to the totals of Dave Duncans reclaimation list. I am sick and damn tired of reclaimation projects. SICK AND TIRED OF THEM! And more than that, I am sick and tired of the sheep fans who spout off that it is a good move because it's low risk/high reward. ********! How freaking difficult is it to just go sign some good players who can help us now? OR TRADE FOR SOME? Not EVERYTHING that the Cardinals organization does is RIGHT and there are some fans who just refuse to stand up and speak against the club because they consider that being a bad fan or something. ********. If something's going on that you don't like, then speak up and say something about it. You guys have no problem bashing other fans who speak up against the club when they are being jackasses. So what's the difference in speaking up against the club? There isn't one, other than some fans have stupid sheep tendancies with the Cardinals because they are the Cardinals, they do no wrong.

We need arms. Yet we don't go out and get signifigant ones. We get Royce RIng, and an aging Trever Miller. Instead of making a REAL push for Wil Ohman or Brian Fuentes or BJ Ryan or Jake Peavy who are all available who can HELP US NOW instead of having to work with Duncan for months and then be worked into situations like you are going to have to do with Ring.

And I am sick and effing tired of Tony not having faith in any of the young arms he has. GIVE MOTTE AND PEREZ a real and honest effing chance. If they can't handle it, then go about **** a different way. But you are NEVER going to effing know if they can't handle it if you don't give them a chance right?

I am so frustrated right now, and it honestly feels good for me that I am seeing people stand up and saying the exact same things that I have been saying for years. I felt like I was the only one feeling these things against the organization for all of their bonehead moves. This has nothing to do with some blah blah blah Yankee Money blah blah blah **** that you all like to throw in my face when I speak up against the organization. I am not asking them to go out and give someone a Sabathia contract. But what I am saying is that why in the blue Hell couldn't the Cardinals beat the Angels Fuentes offer? A lot of you were bitching about a 3 year deal. Well, the Angels got a 2 year deal with a TEAM option for a 3rd. That was PERFECT for the Cardinals. Moz must be a ****** GM if he can't counter that and land Fuentes. And this offseason isn't giving me much hope for Moz. And it's making Walt seem smart for leaving. I said when Walt left that he was leaving because he was tired of having his hands tied behind his back my DeWitt in the offseasons that he'd rather go to a hopeless organization than stay around and deal with this ******** in St. Louis year after year.

Royce effing Ring. SERIOUSLY? This tool probably won't make it out of Spring Training. But then again knowing Tony, he will probably be our 4th starter right out of Spring Training.

I am very very very livid over this.

I DO bitch all of the time about wanting the Cardinals to make moves. But I want GOOD PLAYERS damn it!
 
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cgilmo said:
ummm

Royce Ring is a lefty specialist.

His job will be to get one critical out late in the game. Something he isn't bad at doing.


Judging from his stats last season I would beg to differ.
 

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cgilmo said:
You do realize this is a league minimum player right?


He does not affect your ability to sign any other player on the market.

while 100% true and accurate... I believe Sam is upset with what appears to be a lack of balls or effort on John M.'s behalf. The guy has literally done nothing for our ballclub. He traded rolen for glauss... which many people praised but in reality it didn't do much but ship off an angy guy and get back a similar hitter who wasn't angry. Yeah we signed Kalil but it seems the Cards new specialty has been finishing runner up on important players who will help us contend. Or discuss trades and back out to see what else is out there. Ring will be useful.

Sam,
This guy isn't being brought in to change the franchise... just a minor boost to the disaster bullpen.
 

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Don't let Royce's numbers from last year get you down. He is much better than the numbers indicate. Bobby mis handled him the entire year, and really didn't understand how to use him.
 

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DaleMurphyCollector said:
Plus you still have Ray King, right? That guy is AWESOME!


Hey man, don't knock big-ole Ray King!!!

He's a really nice guy......I got him IP at Wrigley........not exactly the beast place to acquire cards autos.....
 

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shanks25 said:
DaleMurphyCollector said:
Plus you still have Ray King, right? That guy is AWESOME!


Hey man, don't knock big-ole Ray King!!!

He's a really nice guy......I got him IP at Wrigley........not exactly the beast place to acquire cards autos.....

I agree that he's nice (met him at Braves FanFest or some other Braves event way back when), but he can't pitch his way out of a paper bag. He, along with a recent string or reclamation project relief pitchers the Braves have recently employed, made me cringe everytime I saw them warming up and inevitably enter the game to blow a win.
 
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This thread isn't as much about Royce Ring as it is about how much I am frustrated with how the Cardinals brass has been going about things the last few offseasons.
 
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Ray King was a fan favorite in St. Louis while he was here. I always liked the guy.

And about Bobby mismanaging him, I don't really have too much confidence in LaRussa doing any better of a job in managing someone who's fragile out in the bullpen. He is a bonehead when it comes to the bullpen and has been for years.
 

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cgilmo said:
goldenegg1 said:
I have real nice Royce Ring Bowman Chrome Refractor Autogrpah I could sell ya! :lol:


my strategy with pitchers is always


sell em early

It was never worth selling, even when it was released, so I just threw it back in my autograph box.
 

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Im sure if your team hadnt won the 2006 WS, they'd make more moves.
Since they did, theres really no need to make any financial moves, the
owners have the right to ******* violate the fans for the next seven years,
guilt free
 
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ThoseBackPages said:
Im sure if your team hadnt won the 2006 WS, they'd make more moves.
Since they did, theres really no need to make any financial moves, the
owners have the right to ******* violate the fans for the next seven years,
guilt free


The bad thing is though is that DeWitt was doing this exact same thing BEFORE 2006 and we just got lucky that year. Which I'll take, fine and dandy. But just because we won in 2006 doesn't mean the ownership group is doing the right things. It's the same **** offseason after offseason and it's getting old. Hell, the last big free agent signing we made was Tino Martinez and that didn't work out well. And no, Adam Kennedy and Juan Encarnacion don't count. We keep getting all of the bargain basement people that keep digging us into a deeper hole and letting Chicago, Houston and the Brew Crew catch up around us.
 

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I am really confused by what I thought to be a very informed and knowledgeable Cardinal Nation. What are you expecting the Cardinals to do here??? How was the Glaus trade not a GREAT trade. Glaus had twice the season Rolen has had for the last 3 years.....and is a great HR threat besides Pujols.

The Cardinals are taking a risk on Khalil Greene, but if he brings his bat like he has shown potential, it will be a great pickup. The Cardinals have somewhat addressed the bullpen issues with Miller, and Royce Ring and at what they are paying him would be worth the trial. Plus, regardless of what the Cardinals are saying they want to do, they do still have a nice Perez/Motte situation to fall back on, since they lost out on the Fuentes deal. Not sure if Fuentes was worth the $9 mil or not, but he really didnt want to come to St. Louis anyways.

I figure the Cardinals are probably going to pull off one more deal---most likely for a 2B or a RP, as they are stacked up a bit in the OF. Would really like to see Ankiel, Mather, Rasmus, and either Ludwick or Schumaker to be the OFs. I really feel that Duncan, Schumaker, and Ludwick are all very expendable---and for those of you who are high on Ludwick--look at the guys stats when there is no Pujols in the lineup....they are absolutely awful. So, what happens when he does not consistently see fastballs right down the middle of the plate????

I think in reality the Cardinals have done a pretty decent job of keeping a core group of players and not depleting the farm and giving away money for the rest. Lohse was a great find, and for what he did last year, the Cardinals were definitely wise to resign him instead of trying to spend mega millions on some high profile SP. Yes, it would still be nice to land Peavy or Sheets, but at what cost---I for one dont want to deplete the farm to do so, or throw so much money at a SP that we lose out somewhere else---especially with the stockpile of Young Arms and Young OFs showing promise.

It will be interesting to see what kind of deal they can do, but my guess is with the 2 signings they have made for RP, picking up Khalil Greene to take over at SS, a deal for a 2B or maybe a semi set-up man/Closer to help Perez is probably the safe bet, letting go of one or 2 OFs and making room for Mather and Rasmus.

This is all IMO, but sometimes not doing anything can be just as good as doing something. And to be honest, the Cubs and Brewers have not had really a stellar offseason either---signing Milton Bradley and Aaron Miles in no way makes them any better than they were last year...and I dont see the Brewers being any more of a threat than they were last year either (which will be a FULL year w/o CC)


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pujolsthomefan33 said:
I am really confused by what I thought to be a very informed and knowledgeable Cardinal Nation. What are you expecting the Cardinals to do here??? How was the Glaus trade not a GREAT trade. Glaus had twice the season Rolen has had for the last 3 years.....and is a great HR threat besides Pujols.

The Cardinals are taking a risk on Khalil Greene, but if he brings his bat like he has shown potential, it will be a great pickup. The Cardinals have somewhat addressed the bullpen issues with Miller, and Royce Ring and at what they are paying him would be worth the trial. Plus, regardless of what the Cardinals are saying they want to do, they do still have a nice Perez/Motte situation to fall back on, since they lost out on the Fuentes deal. Not sure if Fuentes was worth the $9 mil or not, but he really didnt want to come to St. Louis anyways.

I figure the Cardinals are probably going to pull off one more deal---most likely for a 2B or a RP, as they are stacked up a bit in the OF. Would really like to see Ankiel, Mather, Rasmus, and either Ludwick or Schumaker to be the OFs. I really feel that Duncan, Schumaker, and Ludwick are all very expendable---and for those of you who are high on Ludwick--look at the guys stats when there is no Pujols in the lineup....they are absolutely awful. So, what happens when he does not consistently see fastballs right down the middle of the plate????

I think in reality the Cardinals have done a pretty decent job of keeping a core group of players and not depleting the farm and giving away money for the rest. Lohse was a great find, and for what he did last year, the Cardinals were definitely wise to resign him instead of trying to spend mega millions on some high profile SP. Yes, it would still be nice to land Peavy or Sheets, but at what cost---I for one dont want to deplete the farm to do so, or throw so much money at a SP that we lose out somewhere else---especially with the stockpile of Young Arms and Young OFs showing promise.

It will be interesting to see what kind of deal they can do, but my guess is with the 2 signings they have made for RP, picking up Khalil Greene to take over at SS, a deal for a 2B or maybe a semi set-up man/Closer to help Perez is probably the safe bet, letting go of one or 2 OFs and making room for Mather and Rasmus.

This is all IMO, but sometimes not doing anything can be just as good as doing something. And to be honest, the Cubs and Brewers have not had really a stellar offseason either---signing Milton Bradley and Aaron Miles in no way makes them any better than they were last year...and I dont see the Brewers being any more of a threat than they were last year either (which will be a FULL year w/o CC)


TK

because we don't see eye to eye doesn't make us uninformed... Glaus was the biggest thing JM has done for the team and honestly it wasn't anything major. To me, Glaus is not responsible for putting a significant amount of wins on the board for us over Rolen. I feel what was gained in his extra power we also lost a bit on the defensive end.

I was never saying Glaus was a bad deal... I was saying JM has not done anything powerful in 2 years to help us win. Lohse signing was good, yes I agree... but everytime we have a chance to land a gamebreaker it seems he does just enough to show he was in the running.. i.e. Matt Holiday and Brian Fuentes. I don't think our bullpen is improved as much as you think.
We lost:
Randy Flores
Izzy
Springer
Valone
We brought in:
Ring
Miller

I dont see how we really improved there.

You say not doing anything can be just as good as doing something. Yes, I agree with this in theory, but not when the our biggest competition is adding all-stars to their already much better roster. Bradley was an all-star so I am not sure how his bat doesn't help them, as you say. Brewers young studs will only get better...

and Aaron Miles is a bigger loss to us than you think
 

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