Is Leaf/Brian Gray going to get Johnny Manziel kicked out of NCAA football

predatorkj · Aug 14, 2013

Well at least you guys are open to the idea of some form of payment. I believe this is what's needed. I just don't have the energy to continually debate the same old points with the nay sayers any more.

notjomommasclint · Aug 15, 2013

bmc398 said:
You're a fool if you think these kids aren't already massively benefiting from the work they are putting in.

I am a fool.. but the benefit I was speaking of is immediate financial.

At one point I was for paying everyone. Now I've swayed to middle ground because I don't see a happy middle. I see either too far to the NCAA or too far to the player.

bmc398 · Aug 16, 2013

notjomommasclint said:
I am a fool.. but the benefit I was speaking of is immediate financial.

At one point I was for paying everyone. Now I've swayed to middle ground because I don't see a happy middle. I see either too far to the NCAA or too far to the player.

I think the NCAA is as corrupt an organization as you will find....

But paying players also devalues (to them) the value of the education they are recieving from these institutions. Why take my education seriously when I have all this money to blow?

How many D1 football players don't contribute even to the value of the scholarship they are recieving (estimated over 5 years to be in the neighborhood of $250K cash value)?

Some people in college will be superstars and won't ever need their degree....but I know a ton of former athletes who say they are glad they had that degree to fall back on once the league did not work out for them. One of them is a 3rd round pick who stuck in the league for 4 years, managed his money poorly but now has a 6 figure job because of his degree from a top tier school.

RStadlerASU22 · Aug 18, 2013

bmc398 said:
I think the NCAA is as corrupt an organization as you will find....

But paying players also devalues (to them) the value of the education they are recieving from these institutions. Why take my education seriously when I have all this money to blow?

How many D1 football players don't contribute even to the value of the scholarship they are recieving (estimated over 5 years to be in the neighborhood of $250K cash value)?

Some people in college will be superstars and won't ever need their degree....but I know a ton of former athletes who say they are glad they had that degree to fall back on once the league did not work out for them. One of them is a 3rd round pick who stuck in the league for 4 years, managed his money poorly but now has a 6 figure job because of his degree from a top tier school.

Anything I posted about what an athlete should get or be able to do would have restrictions. The athletes must also be students and achieve certain standards at all times enrolled. No cheating, paying others to do the work etc. I think if its opened up more freely financially to the players, it also comes with tighter academic standards esp those on scholarship.

Ryan

P_Manning 18 · Aug 28, 2013

And the book is closed.

Johnny Football will start the season on the bench.

Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback Johnny Manziel of No. 7 Texas A&M has been suspended for the first half of Saturday's season opener against the Rice Owls, a source told ESPN's Brett McMurphy on Wednesday afternoon.

The agreement between the NCAA and Texas A&M closes the book on Manziel's recent issues, a source told McMurphy.

Johnny Manziel of Texas A&M Aggies suspended for 1st half of season opener against Rice Owls - ESPN

byronscott4ever · Aug 28, 2013

Let that wrist slap be a lesson to you Johnny Football

sportscardtheory · Aug 28, 2013

Got off easy. There's no way he wasn't paid for hundreds of autographs. Eh, whatever.

I think the kid will bust in the NFL. After reading that long article about him in ESPN The Magazine, he seems like a real head case with major emotional and maturity issues. I don't see that translating well into being a team leader the NFL.

PoseyBuster · Aug 28, 2013

sportscardtheory said:
Got off easy. There's no way he wasn't paid for hundreds of autographs. Eh, whatever.

I think the kid will bust in the NFL. After reading that long article about him in ESPN The Magazine, he seems like a real head case with major emotional and maturity issues. I don't see that translating well into being a team leader the NFL.

He's only 19......

gt2590 · Aug 28, 2013

With him missing the First Half against one of the worst defenses in D-1, A&M might only score 60 this weekend...:lol:

sportscardtheory · Aug 28, 2013

PoseyBuster said:
He's only 19......

Then tell me when he starts showing signs of maturity, because as of right now at 19, he's more like 14 with emotional problems.

PoseyBuster · Aug 28, 2013

sportscardtheory said:
Then tell me when he starts showing signs of maturity, because as of right now at 19, he's more like 14 with emotional problems.

I'll definitely let you know when he starts.....but you cant expect a 19 year old to be ready to lead an NFL team at QB.

I'm pretty sure you weren't mature and had emotional problems at age 19, I know I did.

sportscardtheory · Aug 28, 2013

PoseyBuster said:
I'll definitely let you know when he starts.....but you cant expect a 19 year old to be ready to lead an NFL team at QB.

I'm pretty sure you weren't mature and had emotional problems at age 19, I know I did.

Maybe you should read the article that I read. The kid is a mess. A bigger mess than most 19 year-olds should be. Is it possible that he matures in the next few years, sure. But I wouldn't bet on it is all. Many QBs his age have been MUCH more mature and emotionally stable. I get a Ryan Leaf vibe from this kid. All the physical talent in the world with no brain to make it work.

PoseyBuster · Aug 28, 2013

sportscardtheory said:
Maybe you should read the article that I read. The kid is a mess. A bigger mess than most 19 year-olds should be. Is it possible that he matures in the next few years, sure. But I wouldn't bet on it is all. Many QBs his age have been MUCH more mature and emotionally stable. I get a Ryan Leaf vibe from this kid. All the physical talent in the world with no brain to make it work.

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cgilmo · Aug 28, 2013

He does not have ryan leaf talent.

goldenegg1 · Aug 28, 2013

Time for the NCAA to be investigated.
That organization is just as corrupt as the programs they oversee.

MansGame · Aug 28, 2013

goldenegg1 said:
Time for the NCAA to be investigated.
That organization is just as corrupt as the programs they oversee.

Yup lol!!!!

sportscardtheory · Aug 29, 2013

cgilmo said:
He does not have ryan leaf talent.

He may be more physically talented than Leaf was, but his head won't let it all come together for him, just like Leaf's didn't. Of course, that's just MY opinion.

notjomommasclint · Aug 29, 2013

Ryan leaf had superior quarterbacking attributes.. Size, arm, accuracy, pocket awareness.

He was considered a cannot miss with manning!

Leaf · Aug 30, 2013

Manziel is a winner.. Something Ryan Leaf never showed. Manziel easily a better prospect than Ryan Leaf..

Bob Loblaw · Aug 30, 2013

Leaf said:
Manziel is a winner.. Something Ryan Leaf never showed. Manziel easily a better prospect than Ryan Leaf..

You're right. Leaf sucks. Leaf is the worst. One has to wonder how Leaf ever got the popularity obtained. Leaf is absolutely pathetic and Leaf is a JOKE. I'm glad we agree on something.

As for Manziel being a winner... Says he with a vested interest in Manziel. Wonder how many autos that Leaf is sitting on.

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