109 Bowman Blue Wave Redemption Packs - Screwed

[BowmanChromeAddict]

So you complain about backdooring... but claim to have purchased backdoored items.

SEEMS LEGIT.

Edit: And, to add... possibility != reality.... and != is code for "is not equal to".

Nope, not purchased, given. Also, never sold anything. All sitting in the PC 6 years later.

Thank you for at least admitting the possibility.

 

[thefatguy]

The Blue Wave pack redemption program was part of the original solicitation. If this had been added late in the game like they did in 2010 with a failing Bowman Chrome product, then you could say that these packs were free, but this product was SOLD with the promotion of this pack redemption. These packs weren't free, they were part of the initial offering that convinced me and thousands of others to buy in.

OK
And were the odds stated?

 

[A_Pharis]

There's always the possibility, guy. But possibility is as indicative of crime as grass being indicative of birds being able to fly.

Also... "purchased" or "was given" - you are in willing possession of proven backdoored items (according to you). You are complaining about the possibility of items being backdoored not benefitting you.

Once, again --

SEEMS LEGIT.

 

[A_Pharis]

The Blue Wave pack redemption program was part of the original solicitation. If this had been added late in the game like they did in 2010 with a failing Bowman Chrome product, then you could say that these packs were free, but this product was SOLD with the promotion of this pack redemption. These packs weren't free, they were part of the initial offering that convinced me and thousands of others to buy in.

Topps cannot control what value you put into something they offer as a free promotion.

 

[WaxPax]

If there wasn't substantial proof and history to backup the backdoor theory, then it wouldn't be brought up. There are people claiming to have bought 2010 BC redemption packs directly from Topps CS, in fact I'm currently in a dialog with him via PM on Blowout. Beyond that I've personally received a couple cards that were sent out the backdoor. I have an uncut sheet of 07 BC that is hanging in my basement that came from inside. I know a Red Refractor sheet from that same product came out. I also have an 06 Sterling Black Refractor of Adrian Cardenas that is missing the auto and serialization. We've seen all the 06 BC Gold Refractors without serial numbers that have been sold on ebay. Why is this so hard to believe?

I'm a vice president in a business that has 160 employees. We try to hire the best people, but inevitably we've had some that weren't trustworthy. We've had people steal inventory, alter sales orders and steal cash out of drawers, we've even had people steal toilet paper. Why is it so far fetched to believe that an "underpaid" customer service person with access to a box that says "AUTO PACKS" could find a way to sell these packs for personal gain and not put them fairly into the hands of people that submitted wrappers? Does that sound so far beyond the realm of possibility?

So it's ok when backdoored product ends up in your possesion, but cry foul when the same sort of dishonest practice occurs and you don't get it.....

 

[dp33]

I just got 46 more packs today. 2 autos. 14 Red Wave. Once again the Red Wave fall right on the odds and once again I'm shorted 6 autos. Completely different shipment, same issue. So if I keep getting screwed, either someone is going to make out awesome or these auto packs are disappearing the wrong way. A good friend will be getting 425 packs so I'll be interested to see how his breakdown. That's over 4% of the total. That's not statistically insignificant.

Actually, you only should have got 12.65 red waves, so you beat the odds. I don't imagine anyone will be upset about that.

At least you got your packs - what about all the people that aren't even going to get any packs now at all (much less ones with a lower-than-mathematically-calculated number of autos)? If the "mathematical" odds say 1 in 5 packs, and no one is reporting better than 1 in 10 packs, that's almost 1,000 packs that people aren't going to get.

 

[BowmanChromeAddict]

I agree, George. Maybe the OP shouldn't have banked on these bonuses for return? Sounds like he threw the dice... lost... and is now playing the girlfriend scorned.

Nice, now we're getting into it. Now I'm the girlfriend scorned. LOL. The funny thing is that you're sitting here assuming that I'm complaining on behalf of myself and myself only. If this issue continues, I'm raising the issue for everyone, whether smaller collector or not. Frankly, I'm pissed for Lisa Su and her 13 packs that should have had 2 autos with a chance for 3 instead of only 1. Sure, she killed my odds with 1:13 instead of my 1:25.8 packs, but if this issue cost her an extra auto, then that upsets me too.

I'm getting beat up like I'm just trumping my screwing, but someone has to voice the issue first so that others can share their similar experiences.

Also please, anyone that killed the odds and hit an auto in better than 1:6 packs please chime in here. I want to be fair and balanced.

 

[shepsspot]

The Blue Wave pack redemption program was part of the original solicitation. If this had been added late in the game like they did in 2010 with a failing Bowman Chrome product, then you could say that these packs were free, but this product was SOLD with the promotion of this pack redemption. These packs weren't free, they were part of the initial offering that convinced me and thousands of others to buy in.

Says the guys who ID is BowmanChromeAddict, and bust how many cases each year. With or without the redemption packs you still would have bought a boatload of there product. You are starting to sound like a pissed off little school girl, get over it or dont buy Topps products anymore.

 

[Erich]

How did brent and becca do with theirs. Just curious to see if other BIG breakers do any better.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

Jim, it's fully plausible that these were back-doored and even plausible that even Mark is partially at blame or even directly involved. But sadly, you have his nonchalant response...as long as they're packed out, he's fine with whatever happens.

What we don't know is the internal discussion regarding the distribution of these. It could have been a very plausible "spread the wealth (autos)" mentality where the autographs were distributed to more individuals instead of in bulk to the bigger submitters. Everyone knows that while nice, the Reds are not the big ticket item that people were looking for.

Does it sound shady? Yes, absolutely. Do I think Topps dropped the ball? Yes. But I don't think they owe you or anyone else anything.

Until the big money in the hobby balks at the huge case breaks, pricing and common scams throughout this hobby's ugly history...why change a thing?

As has been pointed out, you yourself have taken advantage of a few backdoor deals. So if the shady deal works in your favor, all is good...if it doesn't, all is not good. And while you're extremely frustrated, you know that mentality is completely hypocritical. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

 

[BowmanChromeAddict]

Topps cannot control what value you put into something they offer as a free promotion.

So are Superfractors free promotion? Are base cards free promotion? So if you choose to say that Base cards are what we're paying for, then everything else is free promotion? C'mon, that is a ridiculous argument and distracts from the overall point of the thread.

 

[BowmanChromeAddict]

Says the guys who ID is BowmanChromeAddict, and bust how many cases each year. With or without the redemption packs you still would have bought a boatload of there product. You are starting to sound like a pissed off little school girl, get over it or dont buy Topps products anymore.

Wow...the second reference to a woman. I was scorned and now I'm a school girl. It's amazing the attacks that I'm taking while raising a potential issue of fairness that may effect everyone that submitted for these packs.

 

[A_Pharis]

That's a horrible argument. Superfractors are a direct inclusion of the product. Sending in packs was an optional bonus.
Should I sue publishers clearing house, because I didn't win the grand prize? I mean... I subscribed to their magazine so that I would be elligible! I wouldn't have subscribed had I known I wouldn't win!

See what I did there?

 

[BowmanChromeAddict]

How did brent and becca do with theirs. Just curious to see if other BIG breakers do any better.

He should be getting his packs today. I hope he hits autos every other pack.

 

[A_Pharis]

Wow...the second reference to a woman. I was scorned and now I'm a school girl. It's amazing the attacks that I'm taking while raising a potential issue of fairness that may effect everyone that submitted for these packs.

Or maybe some people realize it was a CHANCE to take, and they are shrugging it off as a loss? "Acting a girlfriend scorned" has nothing "anti-woman" in it... so don't start playing that. YOU came in throwing attacks at a company that's not here to defend itself. Say you don't like them all you want, but there are serious accusations in this thread.

 

[Jaypers]

I find it interesting how the detractors to the OP's point to this thread have absolutely no time or funds invested in this promotion, yet feel compelled to argue regardless.

Should those who feel they have been wronged converse with fellow victims exclusively?

Anyway, that's my peace, carry on.

 

[BowmanChromeAddict]

That's a horrible argument. Superfractors are a direct inclusion of the product. Sending in packs was an optional bonus.
Should I sue publishers clearing house, because I didn't win the grand prize? I mean... I subscribed to their magazine so that I would be elligible! I wouldn't have subscribed had I known I wouldn't win!

See what I did there?

LOL. No point in arguing with you. You're obviously correct no matter what I say, or what counterpoint I could present. I humbly bow to your superior intelligence. Clearly nobody bought into 2012 Bowman thinking there would be any value in Bowman Blue Wave redemption packs or at least being able to sell their wrappers for money. Clearly those that paid for wrappers on and off ebay paid with imaginary money. Clearly there was no value and were absolutely a free bonus.

 

[shepsspot]

Wow...the second reference to a woman. I was scorned and now I'm a school girl. It's amazing the attacks that I'm taking while raising a potential issue of fairness that may effect everyone that submitted for these packs.

Fairness, really?? Can I ask you when you got your cases? Where they the same day I could pick them up at my LCS, or how about all the wrappers that were sent in from Japan before the guy that only buys a few boxes could send in his? And guess what you a right, maybe the women reference wasn't the right one, more like crying little baby!

 

[BowmanChromeAddict]

Or maybe some people realize it was a CHANCE to take, and they are shrugging it off as a loss? "Acting a girlfriend scorned" has nothing "anti-woman" in it... so don't start playing that. YOU came in throwing attacks at a company that's not here to defend itself. Say you don't like them all you want, but there are serious accusations in this thread.

That wasn't my intention when identifying two personal attacks, but oh well, you seemed to need to clarify.

 

[A_Pharis]

LOL. No point in arguing with you. You're obviously correct no matter what I say, or what counterpoint I could present. I humbly bow to your superior intelligence. Clearly nobody bought into 2012 Bowman thinking there would be any value in Bowman Blue Wave redemption packs or at least being able to sell their wrappers for money. Clearly those that paid for wrappers on and off ebay paid with imaginary money. Clearly there was no value and were absolutely a free bonus.

Topps did not do the promotion with the explicit intent of the wrappers being sold. That is something they cannot control - nor can they control HOW MUCH was paid for the wrappers. You are a victim of your own practice.

And Jaypers - or maybe there are people who didn't spend money "on this promotion," because they aren't suckers? To think opinions are limited in validity to only those who invest in a subject is extremely elitist. I thought you were better than that... but, then again, I know you have your aspirations in the field.