2003 Topps with vintage Topps logo?

[KLARNOLD]

If I remember correctly, I remember reading about some 2003 Topps cards having a vintage white Topps logo on them. Do any of you have a checklist or actually have one of the cards with the vintage Topps logo? The logo looks similar to the ones from 1979 Topps:

 

[djrulz]

Here is the list:
2003 Topps Trademark Variations:
1 Alex Rodriguez
10 Mark Prior
11 Curt Schilling
20 Todd Helton
30 Jason Giambi
50 Sammy Sosa
61 Roger Clemens
73 Luis Gonzalez
77 Miguel Tejada
80 Ivan Rodriguez
90 Alfonso Soriano
100 Ichiro Suzuki
130 Gary Sheffield
150 Kazuhisa Ishii
160 Pat Burrell
170 Vladimir Guerrero
177 Adam Dunn
180 Barry Zito
200 Albert Pujols
230 Lance Berkman
250 Nomar Garciaparra
300 Andy Marte
321 Walter Young
322 M.Byrd/J.Padilla
324 H.Blalock/M.Teixeira
368 Francisco Rodriguez
370 Chipper Jones
380 Randy Johnson
387 Nick Johnson
390 Ken Griffey Jr.
396 Barry Bonds
400 Derek Jeter
421 Carlos Delgado
433 Torii Hunter
450 Pedro Martinez
461 Jim Edmonds
489 Scott Rolen
500 Mike Piazza
515 Darin Erstad
530 Eric Chavez
550 Manny Ramirez
558 Tim Hudson
585 Mike Sweeney
593 Jeff Bagwell
600 Garret Anderson

I got outbid on the Nick Johnson twice. Those 2 times are the only times I've seen the Johnson cards on ebay. Both times they went for $50+ if I remember correctly.

 

[Jack Straw]

My new 2009 SCD Book has it as:
White Topps"throw-back"logo.
Series 1 (1:8852)
value undetermined
Series 2 (1:4487)
value undetermined

I am guessing every card has a White Topps . How many?

 

[Jack Straw]

I am really interested in some more info on this set. Anybody have one or know anymore?

 

[theplasticman]

I need the Erstad :x

 

[KLARNOLD]

Any of you have a 2003 Topps Trademark Variation? It has been 12 years since this was originally posted and thought I would bring up again.

 

[v8prius]

@KLARNOLD I have the Griffey Jr. It's so difficult to find anything on these, even a picture on the internet. Curious to see if you've had any luck over the last month?

 

[KLARNOLD]

@KLARNOLD I have the Griffey Jr. It's so difficult to find anything on these, even a picture on the internet. Curious to see if you've had any luck over the last month?

Still no luck on Pujols. I attached some photos I found on a site.

 

[theplasticman]

Nothing here. Still never seen an Erstad. Likely tucked away in a commons boxed bricked to a bunch of other cards.

 

[atp357]

Just joined to post this. Found this guy going through old cards last night, this thread is about all I found on info.

Any idea how many of these were made? This isn't numbered.

 

[nevermore]

@atp357 Nice find! These are ULTRA hard. My dream is to find these one day in a box of commons. I have yet to see the four Yankees.

 

[Dilferules]

I've never seen any of the 4 A's in the set (and didn't even know they existed until seeing this thread recently) so they are extremely rare.

We can have some math fun based on stated odds from baseballcardpedia...this would be using the assumption that the odds are actually correct and the set size is actually 25 cards, not the entire 330-card set.

Stated odds are 1:8852 hobby packs, 1:2665 jumbo packs for Series 1.
Topps Gold stated odds are 1:16 hobby packs, 1:5 jumbo packs for Series 1.
It's about the same difference in insertion rate for the two sets between the hobby/jumbo packs.
Retail odds are just listed as "?" for both sets so let's go with the assumption they were both inserted in retail and the numbers even out?

Using the Hobby odds:
1:16 packs to find 1 Topps Gold card, 330 cards in the set, so the odds of finding one specific Topps Gold card were 1:5280 packs.
1:8852 packs to find 1 Trademark variation card, 25 cards in the set, so the odds of finding one specific Trademark card were 1:221,300 packs. (or one in over six thousand boxes!)
221,300/5,280 = A specific Gold card was 41.91 times more common to pull than a specific Trademark variation.
Topps Gold cards were serial numbered /2003.
2003/41.91 = 47.79 estimated Trademark variation print run for Series 1.

If the Gold cards were actually easier to pull than 1:16 Hobby or 1:5 Jumbo, that would push the estimated 47.79 print run lower. I'm having a tough time remembering but I feel like Topps Golds were easier than the stated insert ratio.
If Topps Golds were inserted in retail (I feel like they were?) and Trademark variations weren't, that would also push the 47.79 number lower.
Plus add in that nobody was really looking for these or had even heard of them, and they are easy to overlook due to the small design variation, so many of the cards that were produced have probably been sitting in a commons box for 18 years bricking up.

So in summary, I think at absolute most the production run on these was around 50, probably quite a bit lower, plus there's the factor of people not even noticing the ones that were made.

 

[heavy_hitter]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/265102295199?hash=item3db954009f:g:I40AAOSw0XRgXhp6

 

[gamecockfanatic]

I've never seen any of the 4 A's in the set (and didn't even know they existed until seeing this thread recently) so they are extremely rare.

We can have some math fun based on stated odds from baseballcardpedia...this would be using the assumption that the odds are actually correct and the set size is actually 25 cards, not the entire 330-card set.

Stated odds are 1:8852 hobby packs, 1:2665 jumbo packs for Series 1.
Topps Gold stated odds are 1:16 hobby packs, 1:5 jumbo packs for Series 1.
It's about the same difference in insertion rate for the two sets between the hobby/jumbo packs.
Retail odds are just listed as "?" for both sets so let's go with the assumption they were both inserted in retail and the numbers even out?

Using the Hobby odds:
1:16 packs to find 1 Topps Gold card, 330 cards in the set, so the odds of finding one specific Topps Gold card were 1:5280 packs.
1:8852 packs to find 1 Trademark variation card, 25 cards in the set, so the odds of finding one specific Trademark card were 1:221,300 packs. (or one in over six thousand boxes!)
221,300/5,280 = A specific Gold card was 41.91 times more common to pull than a specific Trademark variation.
Topps Gold cards were serial numbered /2003.
2003/41.91 = 47.79 estimated Trademark variation print run for Series 1.

If the Gold cards were actually easier to pull than 1:16 Hobby or 1:5 Jumbo, that would push the estimated 47.79 print run lower. I'm having a tough time remembering but I feel like Topps Golds were easier than the stated insert ratio.
If Topps Golds were inserted in retail (I feel like they were?) and Trademark variations weren't, that would also push the 47.79 number lower.
Plus add in that nobody was really looking for these or had even heard of them, and they are easy to overlook due to the small design variation, so many of the cards that were produced have probably been sitting in a commons box for 18 years bricking up.

So in summary, I think at absolute most the production run on these was around 50, probably quite a bit lower, plus there's the factor of people not even noticing the ones that were made.

just an fyi , there are 45 cards in the set , not 25...

 

[Dilferules]

just an fyi , there are 45 cards in the set , not 25...

I was just doing the math for Series 1 - there are 25 of the cards in Series 1, 20 in Series 2.

The same math using the Series 2 odds from baseballcardpedia equals out to about 55 of each Series 2 Trademark variation. These seem quite a bit tougher than the Topps Black cards that have a print run of 52, so either the actual odds were a lot longer than what was stated, or people really overlooked them.

 

[theplasticman]

Great work @Dilferules on the math. I had suspect 25-50 print runs on them.

 

[nevermore]

Recently picked up one of the four Yankees I need

 

[griffey423]

Still no luck on Pujols. I attached some photos I found on a site.View attachment 122754View attachment 122755View attachment 122756View attachment 122757View attachment 122758

These five are scans of the cards in my collection. I also bought the Pedro in the above eBay listing. If anyone has any of the other cards in the set that they are willing to part with, or wants to reach out to look for some info, I'd be happy to help and even happier to make a fair offer if you're selling!

 

[RedSoxNationMT]

I have two of the Pedro’s. I didn’t see the one someone here said they grabbed, or I’d probably have it also.