rico08
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sportscardtheory said:
No, to stick to the point of the thread: the question was desirability, not which will outsell.
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2008 Razor Metal Gold Auto vs. 2010 Pro Debut Gold Non-Auto
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No, to stick to the point of the thread: the question was desirability, not which will outsell.
sportscardtheory
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LLWesMan said:
You also can't compare Razor sales to MLB RCs. We are talking about minor league issues. Why would anyone want a 2010 un-autographed minor league card of a player that had a 2008 low print-run auto. That's like saying you would want a un-autographed 2008 Evan Longoria (RC) over his 2006 Chrome auto.
sportscardtheory
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rico08 said:
What are you, joking.
NYCrulesU
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Sticking to the point of the thread, a 2010 serial numbered non-MLB Topps card will outsell a 2008 Razor Metal Gold auto.
How hard is it for your Razor kool-aid drinkers to realize that Razor is garbage on the secondary market. Practically nobody outside this forum wants Razor baseball cards. Check completed auctions, talk to other collectors (outside FCB) and talk to show dealers/shop owners. They'll all either laugh or shake their head at the meer mention of Razor baseball releases.
How hard is it for your Razor kool-aid drinkers to realize that Razor is garbage on the secondary market. Practically nobody outside this forum wants Razor baseball cards. Check completed auctions, talk to other collectors (outside FCB) and talk to show dealers/shop owners. They'll all either laugh or shake their head at the meer mention of Razor baseball releases.
kentuckyderby
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LLWesMan said:
When I asked in several threads if Razor could guarantee to those holding the exclusives if they could promise not to sell off the exclusive contracts, all I heard were crickets
I have a bunch of Razor exclusives sitting at home so I hope and hope but I also wouldn't be shocked if the exclusivity contracts = sold at a later date
rico08
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sportscardtheory said:
I'm making a distinction between the card I believe will be more desirable.
The Razor card will sell for more, mostly because of the print run and small group of Razor faithfuls bidding. The Topps card will be more desirable to the rest of the hobby, in my opinion.
Stop trying to make the question so easy to answer.
beefycheddar
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There are at most 250 of a Razor metal with all parallels in existance. Of course people are going to see more of the Topps and will build awareness much more than a Razor Metal. Also the fact that they are using the same design for 2010 Topps as the MILB Debut cards helps since it will all look like the same set.
sportscardtheory said:
Agreed, an auto is always going to have value if its going up against a non-auto.
kentuckyderby said:
It hasn't happened yet, and until it does that's nothing more than speculation. We can only answer this poll based on the facts we have now.
sportscardtheory
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2006 Just Evan Longoria auto http://cgi.ebay.com/EVAN-LONGORIA-AUTO- ... 45efb9f357
2007 Bowman Chrome Draft Evan Longoria http://cgi.ebay.com/EVAN-LONGORIA-2007- ... 58851f1a60
Crazy, why is this 2007 Bowman Major League baseball product getting killed by the 2006 Just auto??? Isn't Just a company that sucks and Bowman Chrome is king???
2007 Bowman Chrome Draft Evan Longoria http://cgi.ebay.com/EVAN-LONGORIA-2007- ... 58851f1a60
Crazy, why is this 2007 Bowman Major League baseball product getting killed by the 2006 Just auto??? Isn't Just a company that sucks and Bowman Chrome is king???
kentuckyderby
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I would rather have the 2009 BDP ******* super or print plate auto ^^^^^
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sportscardtheory said:
On top of that there is an 06 Longoria Chrome auto out - no reason why the Just couldn't be higher if there wasn't as would be the parallel to the Razor metal situation, where the Razors have a two year advantage on the pro debuts.
kentuckyderby
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for every one card that proves a point, I bet there are 5 that counters it
rico08
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Jaypers said:I paid $8 for this.
[ebay4ahzgf8]110474243937[/ebay
Good for you, flipping a card via Best Offer. The remainder of his Razor cards can't seem to break $15.
sportscardtheory said:
Just vs. Chrome base? Longoria has so many cards, the comparison is hazy at best. Unfortunately, you can't do any better.
sportscardtheory
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rico08 said:
Buy all the 3rd year un-autographed cards of Minor Leaguers all you want. lol Anyone with any smarts knows an auto with the same print run from 3 years earlier is a better card. I'd be willing to bet on it.
rico08
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sportscardtheory said:
Clearly.
kentuckyderby
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I sent in a bunch of box bottoms from sig series with SASE the first day BG posted the offer
Interested to see who I get when/if it comes
Anyone at all = bonus
Interested to see who I get when/if it comes
Anyone at all = bonus
sportscardtheory
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rico08 said:
At least I showed an example. You couldn't show us one example... not ONE. Why don't you prove it to us? Show us where a 3rd year un-autographed Minor League card has EVER been worth more than an auto with the same print-run from 3 years earlier. You couldn't even do it with Major League rookie cards.
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sportscardtheory said:
I believe the initial question was a "Gold" Razor Auto versus a "Gold" Topps Debut...correct? If my understanding of JP's initial post was correct & JP was trying to come up with something that had the same production number across the board between Razor & Topps then I think a comparison such as the following will benefit this discussion moreso than your example above:
08 Tri-Star E.Longoria signa-cut Auto "#d/25"
http://cgi.ebay.com/2008-TRISTAR-SIGNA- ... 518efccb7a
08 Topps Chrome E.Longoria Red Refractor "#d/25"
http://cgi.ebay.com/Evan-Longoria-08-To ... 4838c1abb5
or even possibly an 08 B.Chrome Gold Refractor which has a bit more produced "#d/50"
http://cgi.ebay.com/2008-Evan-Longoria- ... 27adc0e393
I think this comparison is a better representation of what JP was trying to compare when he wrote: "Assuming the Golds are #d to 50 or less (no official word yet from Topps), which card would you rather own?" as Tri-Star's SV is relevant & comparable to that of Razor's & going by these serial #'d parallel's we can get a better example of what JP was trying to relay with his initial question/post....but then again, I may have misinterpretted JP? Either way, no matter what product you're using, it is not a fair comparison when using a base auto to ANY base non-auto that is several year's after the autographs release (so you're example is slightly fudged IMO & doesn't go with the initial question)..... Just to let you know, the Tri-Star was the only #d/25 auto I found in the completed Ebay auction's or I would've added something else to the comparison (I just wanted to be clear on this)!
Take care & great discussion subject Jaypers!
rico08
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sportscardtheory said:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/desirable
You're looking at price, I'm looking at desirability. One does not necessitate the other.
Here's my logic: Search "razor gold au*" on eBay. I count a whopping 11 completed Razor Metal gold auctions with seven sales. Of those seven sales, five are from BIN/BO and two are from auctions.
Now look at the current auction style listings. Any? Three auctions with RIDICULOUS starting bids and the rest are EXTREMELY high BIN's. These people holding rare Razor cards are fishing for offers. Desperately. 38 copies, 29 copies: no one wanted these to begin with.
No one is bidding, no one cares. The cards are not desirable.
I'm not buying third year minor league cards OR Razor because they BOTH stink.
