2008 Razor Metal Gold Auto vs. 2010 Pro Debut Gold Non-Auto

[P_Manning 18]

He will be back when he has something to sell.

This is the 4th or 5th I'm leaving thread he has done.

But when a new product comes out... guess who starts posting again.

Remember when weekends were family time? What is today?

Another place you guys are dead wrong. 99% of our non-baseball product is pruchased by people OUTSIDE FCB.
I don't NEED FCB to sell out products. I do like the idea of grassroots marketing, but not at the current cost.
Your inappropriate reference to my family coincidentally is a piece of why I cannot spend the time here unless productive.
BG

I never said you did. But we have all seen time and time again how u leave... and when a new product is going to come out... you come back and post.

Just saying that we have seen it before... and will see it again.

And again... I didnt say the weekends were family time... I believe that came from you and Gilmore... cuz you didnt respond to a thread during a weekend once.... but over and over... you post on the weekends.

 

[kentuckyderby]

Contest officially starts NOW!

12/27/09 at 3:30 central time

If someone does receive a PM from BG or Razor from this point on, please notify me so that I can cancel the contest

I will be checking Razor website for news on poker

To be fair to Peyton Manning collector, when he mentioned BG's family it was because months ago, BG mentioned he was leaving due to other things such as for family time (paraphrased). I get what P Manning meant

 

[sportscardtheory]

IF BG or a rep from Razor can go the rest of 2009 and the entire 2010 calendar year without posting here OR sending anyone here a PM I will have a contest on 12/31/10 for all of my Razor Sig Series cards

Do I want to give away my cards? --- NO!
Do I want BG to leave? -- NO!

But history has a way of repeating itself

Account closing now. Thanks all.
BG

lol All you had to do was create your own personal FCB ID for your own discussions, so it doesn't matter what is said, and have Razor as your "official" ID just for making announcements and such.

 

[baseballguy350]

http://cgi.ebay.com/2008-RYAN-WESTMOREL ... 3efb1aec15

Back on topic, I think that the BASE Topps Minor League in 2010 outsells this. Will the autograph outsell the base card? Sure.

When you compare Apples to Apples, or serial numbered base cards, to serial numbered base cards, Topps will prevail. When you compare apples to oranges, sure, Razor Metal Gold autos are great. I think a better claim would be to agree to take back NUMBERED Razor base, for NUMBERED Topps Minor League. That would at least make sense.


I appreciated your willingness to come on here BG. I don't think I had much negative or positive to say, and my one question went unanswered (re: Pokerstars and the ability to host a private tournament with regards to the redemption). That being said, this thread is a clear reason why you SHOULD shut down your account. When you need to sell your product, send out a press release through Gilmore, and allow people to email/PM Gilmore questions. You can pre-screen the questions you want to answer. Hell, the president of the United States only answers pre-screened questions. You should not post here. Interact with your customers in other ways (Email, Phone, whatever). I think you have made great strides in customer interaction, but there is a definitively successful way to do it... 1:1 communication, not on a message board.

 

[Wes]

But then why a comparison between an auto card versus a non auto?

Why not ask, which would you rather have a Razor base card versus a Topps Debut base card?

The Razor Metal gold is basically one of the best possible cards to get from Razor (maybe behind a 1/1 Letterman and /5 Sig Serious auto) and it gets compared to a non auto card in another product?
It just seems like a rigged poll --- Wouldn't most want a /25 auto card verus a non auto card that isn't a BDP super/orange/red?

I'm not sure why this poll was created the way it was (it seems initially that the question would have largely favored Razor Gold Auto/25, but after disecting it further I think it backfired due to the discussion that ensued). What I do believe is that if this were in comparison with an unauto'ed B.Chrome orange/25 that it would be favored hand's down, but since this is a new product I think some are hesitant as they're unsure of what to expect.

I'm basing my opinion off of the thought that this new Topps product will be favored by the hobby as a sister product to the Bowman Chrome brand, & therefore will carry value's that are closely equivalent to that of B.Chrome. It is also my belief that there are MANY collector's that want to get thier hand's on a licensed version of the "exclusive" player's that Razor signed (& whether the license being MILB or not it still bear's the Topps brand-name, which in turn is comforting/appeasing to those buyer's that were uneasy of buying into the Razor brand because they feared it turning out to be what it actually has turned into being!).

As it is another Topps product I can't see the "pro debut" holding the same value as BC, the Bowman Chrome auto will always be the card to get ahead of it. Even Sterling should be more desirable.

 

[P_Manning 18]

Anyone up for some eye candy?

And comparing an auto to base card.... lets continue that.

Who would u rather date... the girl in your pictures.... or

 

[bballcardkid]

This is the first I've heard of this minor league "Pro Debut" stuff that's coming out. Hopefully we don't see a lot of the top prospects make their baseball card debut in this product instead of an MLB licensed Bowman product or a Panini product.

 

[kentuckyderby]

Is that a picture of Jeremey? ^^^^

 

[sheetskout]

Hm, let's see... a first year non-MLB card or a 3rd year non-MLB card. I don't even see how it's a decision. (meaning the Razor card all day long)

+1

 

[cgilmo]

damnit guys


can't I take a freakin nap?


:benson:

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

As it is another Topps product I can't see the "pro debut" holding the same value as BC, the Bowman Chrome auto will always be the card to get ahead of it. Even Sterling should be more desirable.

Yeah, I don't think they'll be the same either but I do believe that with this being the 1st Topps product to have these "exclusive's" of Razor that this product's SV will closely mirror that of B.Chrome ("this new Topps product will be favored by the hobby as a sister product to the Bowman Chrome brand, & therefore will carry value's that are closely equivalent to that of B.Chrome").

Take care bud, Dave.

 

[joey12508]

i take the razor over the topps.
jmo

 

[bikerider60]

I would not wast my cash on 2008 Razor Metal

 

[Sean_C]

If your posts here are a pioneering step in our hobby in terms customer interaction, I shudder to think of what your "customer retention program" would look like...

I'm can generally respect a hustler, but resent when someone tries to hustle me. It belittles both of us.

Trust me, Im so done. I have never been so floored by participants of an industry as I am right now.
You guys don't need manufacturers. I am certain all the problems with the hobby can be fixed by hobbyist without the manufacturers participating. Someday, Razor's one major step as a pioneer will have been in customer interaction.
BG

 

[NYCrulesU]

I would not wast my cash on 2008 Razor Metal

I said the same thing. Careful, next you'll get threatened too, followed by a PM asking where you live so he can follow through on his threats ::facepalm::


I can't wait to see where Topps is headed this coming year. Hopefully they learned and will pick up on the quality end of things. They seem to have gotten the message, that collectors are satisfied with what they've putting out.

 

[sheetskout]

You are missing the point. If one of thes eguys turns into a SUPERSTAR (Jeter, Pujols, AROD, etc), GOLD METAL autos wills ell for a lot just as early autos of those guys sell strong.

Its all the player.
If the player fails, the card fails.
If the player rocks, the card will be in demand.
BG

I really wanted to stay out of this, but I agree. This is what I have been saying the whole time since your product came out and we haven't seen an exclusive signee break out yet. Beckham had a nice rookie campaign, but he isn't a superstar yet.

Smoak, Alonso, Alvarez, Lawrie breaks out and we'll see how much I get for my golds.

Brian is right. Player success generates demand.

 

[kentuckyderby]

Outside of not getting Strasburg for BDP (but heck, they got him for 2010) I think Topps stepped up big time so far (#ed AFLAC, ante up with multiple autos in box, etc)

 

[bballcardkid]

I would not wast my cash on 2008 Razor Metal

I said the same thing. Careful, next you'll get threatened too, followed by a PM asking where you live so he can follow through on his threats ::facepalm::


I can't wait to see where Topps is headed this coming year. Hopefully they learned and will pick up on the quality end of things. They seem to have gotten the message, that collectors are satisfied with what they've putting out.

Collectors maybe, prospectors, definately not.

 

[kentuckyderby]

You are missing the point. If one of thes eguys turns into a SUPERSTAR (Jeter, Pujols, AROD, etc), GOLD METAL autos wills ell for a lot just as early autos of those guys sell strong.

Its all the player.
If the player fails, the card fails.
If the player rocks, the card will be in demand.
BG

I really wanted to stay out of this, but I agree. This is what I have been saying the whole time since your product came out and we haven't seen an exclusive signee break out yet. Beckham had a nice rookie campaign, but he isn't a superstar yet.

Smoak, Alonso, Alvarez, Lawrie breaks out and we'll see how much I get for my golds.

Brian is right. Player success generates demand.

Time will tell
The first small indicator was Matusz and that was a huge let down to us who were holding Razor since his cards actually sold for less than at release
Some blamed USA autos but then again Smoak, Alvarez, Wallace, etc also have USA autos (heck, I had 3 of those guys on a quad USA auto)
I still am not 100% certain the hot exclusive will stay exclusive

 

[kentuckyderby]

I would not wast my cash on 2008 Razor Metal

I said the same thing. Careful, next you'll get threatened too, followed by a PM asking where you live so he can follow through on his threats ::facepalm::


I can't wait to see where Topps is headed this coming year. Hopefully they learned and will pick up on the quality end of things. They seem to have gotten the message, that collectors are satisfied with what they've putting out.

Collectors maybe, prospectors, definately not.

some prospectors say that are not but then spend near $1K on their product the first few days BDP went live