NYCrulesU
New member
Yea, I wasn't talking about Chrome or Chrome Draft & prospecting. I was more talking about quality control, sticker autos and collectors as a whole.
Welcome to our community
Be apart of something great, join today!
2008 Razor Metal Gold Auto vs. 2010 Pro Debut Gold Non-Auto
- Thread starter Jaypers
- Start date
Disclaimer: Links on this page pointing to Amazon, eBay and other sites may include affiliate code. If you click them and make a purchase, we may earn a small commission.
I disagree.
How would you like a hand-signed on-card signature, hand serial numberd to less than 400, and a VERY difficult to pull card of one of the greatest basketball players of his generation and nearly certain future Hall of Famer? I'll add that this HOFer only had autographed "rookie" cards produced by non-licensed companies, but still had very few signed cards produced. Add in a Mint grade and Gem Mint signature grade from BGS on a very condition sensitive card (common chipping on the borders). Now how much would you pay?
How about $200 (2/3 of book) on a best offer:
You can look at that 2 ways:
1). the guy got a steal
2). why is someone paying that much $ for a non-licensed card?
Which answer you choose will likely tell you how likely you'll be to want to go after Razor cards in the future.
How would you like a hand-signed on-card signature, hand serial numberd to less than 400, and a VERY difficult to pull card of one of the greatest basketball players of his generation and nearly certain future Hall of Famer? I'll add that this HOFer only had autographed "rookie" cards produced by non-licensed companies, but still had very few signed cards produced. Add in a Mint grade and Gem Mint signature grade from BGS on a very condition sensitive card (common chipping on the borders). Now how much would you pay?
How about $200 (2/3 of book) on a best offer:
You can look at that 2 ways:
1). the guy got a steal
2). why is someone paying that much $ for a non-licensed card?
Which answer you choose will likely tell you how likely you'll be to want to go after Razor cards in the future.
sheetskout said:
Now Ive made it pretty clear that I dont like the Razor exclusivity deals and how it watered down several BC products but this is prett easy. Razor all the way.
Unless I missed somthing. theres no chrome in the Topps minor league issue so there will be no refractors. So that means that these gold card will be on reg topps stock. In other words, similar to bowman paralells, and we all know how much hobby love those get.
Add in that we are talking about third year cards and it makes me wonder why anyone would take a gold Topps non auto smoak over a razor gold auto Smoak.
Unless I missed somthing. theres no chrome in the Topps minor league issue so there will be no refractors. So that means that these gold card will be on reg topps stock. In other words, similar to bowman paralells, and we all know how much hobby love those get.
Add in that we are talking about third year cards and it makes me wonder why anyone would take a gold Topps non auto smoak over a razor gold auto Smoak.
HoustonTeams4Me
New member
- Sep 9, 2008
- 4,249
- 0
sheetskout said:
So Brian Matusz didn't have a "breakout"??? Wait I'll answer my own question, "YES he did breakout & his UD USA Auto's literally BLEW-UP"...Guess what his Razor Auto's did...Not much, they didn't even make it to thier openning SV's! So we have seen a Razor Exclusive "Blowup" & we have seen what becomes of Razor product's when said star Goes-off (I'm only going off of what we've all seen happen, there are no opinion's or hidden agenda's in the Razor Matusz experiment...Only FACT'S)!
kentuckyderby
New member
011873 said:
they wouldn't
so when it does happen (a gold auto/25 by Razor outsells a base /25 Topps Debut) people can say "See, Razor is better than Topps"
I stil would like to see Razor gold auto /25 vs BDP orange auto /25
kentuckyderby
New member
011873 said:
double post
uniquebaseballcards
New member
- Nov 12, 2008
- 6,783
- 0
While I understand this point of view, it seems more centered on autograph collecting than card collecting.
What if the player's first certified auto happened in Topps Chrome?
Sorry if this was brought up somewhere in the previous eight pages of posts.
What if the player's first certified auto happened in Topps Chrome?
Sorry if this was brought up somewhere in the previous eight pages of posts.
Mudcatsfan said:
aarne13
Active member
Personally, I'd prefer the Razor Gold auto over a 2nd-3rd year non-auto'd parallel any day of the week and twice on Sunday. As a team collector I'd rather have a first year certified auto regardless of the brand (topps, UD, razor, Tristar etc.). I really don't see the need to constantly bash a product over and over again. I'd rather have the ability to choose between various licensed/unlicensed products than be stuck with one or two.
Russ S.
New member
As already mentioned, we seen it with Matusz.sheetskout said:
But what I want to know, is how you can consider Smoak & Alvarez as one of those "exclusive signees".
Smoak and Alvarez have cards long before their Razor "exclusive" tag.
Their rarer USA cards will be huge and outsell their Razor cards just like Matusz.
Why you ask?
They were produced first and come from a highly collected set. USA
First issues cards will always have a demand from long time collectors that know what the true meaning or RC & XRC.
Just like Mudcatsfan said... "First Certified Auto for me."
bigredmachine
New member
- Dec 16, 2009
- 381
- 0
Interesting thread to say the least. So much jealousy in people. I voted for the non auto but im a person who just buys or collects a little of everything. The problem I have is so what if JP is selling Razor Auto's for a good price and making money. More power to him. I think most are right in that not a lot of people collect them but your lying to yourself if you dont beleive there is not a market for them.
And we have the 75th dramatic exit. Have no fear he will just make another screen name like last time until he has something to pimp out on you. :lol: The truth hurts sometimes, even more so when you cant defend things you have said. How could have razor shut everyone up? Do what they said from the beginning, which was plow through the rough times if they where dealt any and not cut and run on the collectors they where listening to.
HoustonTeams4Me
New member
- Sep 9, 2008
- 4,249
- 0
bigredmachine said:
I don't think there is a question of there being a market for Razor (there is a market for everything at one point or another) but moreso of whether that particular niche market will be able to sustain or increase it's secondary market value once the premise that the company (Razor) founded itself on has been compromised. I think many of us can agree that Razor was able to sell it's products because they were able to get so many of the top prospect's to sign "exclusive" deal's with them, this in turn was thier foundation & was basically the glue that held thier baseball product's together. Without these player's being "exclusive" to Razor, Topps would have released card's/auto's & therefore compromising any chance that Razor had of being successful and/or holding any secondary value...Well fast forward to 2010 Topps Debut & although we're not going to be seeing Razor's "exclusive" player's having auto's in the product (at least not to my knowledge) we will be seeing the "exclusive" player's- making them not so "exclusive" anymore! IMO this factor, as well as all of the other previous factor's that contributed to the downfall of Razor baseball, the Topps Debut parallel's of the once "exclusive" prospect's will be "THE" card's of them to have, at least until Topps releases B.Chrome or Sterling, & therefore will show it in thier SV's on the secondary market; as will thier Razor counter-part's (though these will adversely see a downward trend being that they are no longer "the only game in town")!
beefycheddar
Super Moderator
- Aug 7, 2008
- 8,055
- 0
Matusz didn't have a break out year, everyone knew who he was by the time Razor sold that was buying them. He has zero name recognition among casual fans, it will take someone to become an all star that only has Razor to show if they will be a big success. Beckham, Kelly, or Westmoreland probably have the best shot at this scenario.
kentuckyderby said:
And what's next? Does Razor owes you something? Can you please explain me why they should even consider your opinion on what to do with their contracts? Is it because you spent 50$ buying Razor cards?
I'm almost hoping they will sell them now since I'm reading you.
I never sold a Razor metal card under 100% profit and I bought a lot of them. I still have plenty unsold, but I'm sure time will come and I'll enjoy my profit just like the others I sold.
I'll take the Razor gold auto card all day long against that topps.
200lbhockeyplayer
Active member
- Aug 10, 2008
- 11,049
- 2
First off, everyone's opinion is valid and in fact...companies are far more likely to improve with people questioning them rather than praise.huntah said:
In regards to your comment of "I never sold a Razor metal card under 100% profit and I bought a lot of them" that is indeed interesting but there are so many variables. From what I have seen, that is clearly the minority with that type of return...especially if you purchased when they were initially listed on eBay.
Should Razor sell autographs from their exclusive deals? I would certainly hope so because it would make financial sense...nothing more. Especially the Beckham deal. Now granted, I'm not sold on Beckham (although I'm no scout and I've only seen him play twice), and if he has a less than stellar 2010 campaign there will be almost no way to recoup the cost of that contract.
Only the future knows what will become of the perhaps "one and done" Razor baseball products, but Brian has indeed sought out the advice/comments directly from collectors...something he was never obligated to do and something no other company has ever done on an openly public scale.
kentuckyderby
New member
huntah said:
Nobody owes us anything but when a company promotes its product as being innovated and that its exclusivity is the reason why one should be a part of it, it really should make sure that the exclusivity aspect remains. The #1 pitch line for Razor was/is exclusivity. That is what was promoted most when Razor Sig Series came out. Not asking too much to expect Razor to honor the exclusivity and not sell off the contracts. Will they? Time will tell. For the people who invested based on the pitch of exclusivity, it would have been nice if Razor could have promised/given their word that the contracts won't be sold off
As far as Matusz not being a big deal when he was coming up --- I disagree.
He was hot and USA UD sales showed it
HoustonTeams4Me
New member
- Sep 9, 2008
- 4,249
- 0
beefycheddar said:
In the scenario of a prospect breaking-out or blowing-up & then a prospector moving thier card's for big profit's, Matusz was a perfect example of what prospector's wish for & his was the scenario that prospector's dream of (what else could a prospector have asked for???)! Matusz had about as good of an entry into MLB as any pitcher & he was indeed noticed by many & spoken about on ESPN on more than 1 occassion (which is essential to the forementioned "blow-up" in SV's). While Matusz wasn't a true "exclusive" (due to having USA cards), not many of Razor's "exclusive's" that are in that upper-tier of prospect's are in fact truely "exclusive" (as most of the top-tier prospect's in Razor have USA auto's or Topps Aflac/Aflac auto's-unreleased or released). Regardless of the true "exclusiveness", it doesn't change the fact that Matusz's amazing performance upon his MLB intro made his SV's soar in his UD USA auto's (many of them were NOT of the popular & in demand "on-card" auto like fashion, they were cut-out window's w/index card auto's & they still sold for several times more than his Razor "on-card" auto's), while his Razor auto's struggled to make thier initial SV's... The proof is in the pudding brother!
sportscardtheory
Active member
I fully expect Razor to sell off all their exclusives' rights. Why keep them when they aren't making anything off them. They aren't making cards of those players, so why waste owning the rights. They quit on everyone who spent money on their baseball products, why would anyone expect any less than a complete washout. They don't care about baseball or who bought their baseball products, they only care about cut-autos and poker cards.
This is exactly what I made. I bought them from Razor on ebay. I mean, it was clear that a gold auto selling at 3$ was a good purchase. Cards are nice and they are selling if you have patience. If the market wasn't dead like it is right now, Razor gold autos of the best players like Posey, Beckham, Alonso, etc will be selling in the 100$+ range easy.
I'm not trying to receive any congratulations for my sale, I just think it should be known that Razor Metal are doing well.
Of course if you run auction style listing you will loose your shirt selling them, but if you stick to your price and wait, buyer will come. People are talking about investments and they are running an auction before they even receive the card. What type of invetment is this? It's a coin flip. I'm sure Razor will be back at baseball when timing will be good. They can't let this big market in the hands of losers like upper deck, there's too many opportunities in there.
And to Kentucky, Razor shouldn't be held responsible to the scenario you built in your head about the exclusive thing. They were selling exclusive cards under contract. I never saw Razor promising not to sell the contracts. What if UD sells it's exclusive contract with Micheal Jordan? Everybody who bought MJs cards will throw them away because they are not "exclusives" anymore? Anyway, when you "invest" like you say, it's at your own risk. You evaluate the potential of the investment and your reward is for taking a risk. If you can't stand the risk, don't invest. Simple as 1,2,3.
I'm not trying to receive any congratulations for my sale, I just think it should be known that Razor Metal are doing well.
Of course if you run auction style listing you will loose your shirt selling them, but if you stick to your price and wait, buyer will come. People are talking about investments and they are running an auction before they even receive the card. What type of invetment is this? It's a coin flip. I'm sure Razor will be back at baseball when timing will be good. They can't let this big market in the hands of losers like upper deck, there's too many opportunities in there.
And to Kentucky, Razor shouldn't be held responsible to the scenario you built in your head about the exclusive thing. They were selling exclusive cards under contract. I never saw Razor promising not to sell the contracts. What if UD sells it's exclusive contract with Micheal Jordan? Everybody who bought MJs cards will throw them away because they are not "exclusives" anymore? Anyway, when you "invest" like you say, it's at your own risk. You evaluate the potential of the investment and your reward is for taking a risk. If you can't stand the risk, don't invest. Simple as 1,2,3.
200lbhockeyplayer said:
kentuckyderby
New member
Huntah
Easy to blame the economy for not allowing Alonso gold Razor autos from reaching $100. Yeah, that's right. It's the economy as the only thing hoding that card back
As far as Razor not making the promise to not sell.....in several threads
As far as Razor doesn't owe the customer anything and they can sell off the contracts if they want to -------- true, they can do what they want. They already showed true colors when they promised (back in November of 2008) that Metal would not mirror Sig Series and stated that they would never screw those who initally invested in their Sig Series ---------but in the end, they did exactly that. BG did apologize for going against his word
If Razor had intentions on selling off contracts then they never should have pimped and promoted the exclusivity thing from before the product even reached the customers. That was their #1 promotion and sales pitch
IF UD would have changed their mind within a year and sold off contracts on MJ, LJ, Gretzky, etc than collectors would have the right to be angry with them about that as well.
I bought Razor and still buy some from time to time if it fits a need. I however call it as I see it
Razor gold /25 will dominate over Topps Debut base
Shouldn't any auto /25 dominate over any base card?
Easy to blame the economy for not allowing Alonso gold Razor autos from reaching $100. Yeah, that's right. It's the economy as the only thing hoding that card back
As far as Razor not making the promise to not sell.....in several threads
As far as Razor doesn't owe the customer anything and they can sell off the contracts if they want to -------- true, they can do what they want. They already showed true colors when they promised (back in November of 2008) that Metal would not mirror Sig Series and stated that they would never screw those who initally invested in their Sig Series ---------but in the end, they did exactly that. BG did apologize for going against his word
If Razor had intentions on selling off contracts then they never should have pimped and promoted the exclusivity thing from before the product even reached the customers. That was their #1 promotion and sales pitch
IF UD would have changed their mind within a year and sold off contracts on MJ, LJ, Gretzky, etc than collectors would have the right to be angry with them about that as well.
I bought Razor and still buy some from time to time if it fits a need. I however call it as I see it
Razor gold /25 will dominate over Topps Debut base
Shouldn't any auto /25 dominate over any base card?
