2009 Bowman Chrome is Live on Ebay

[cgilmo]

I have the feeling we can thank Brian for that. By offering Boras' clients more than Topps did last year, he essentially raised the bar.

Makes one wonder if other agents are going to follow suit anytime soon.

By Topps owning the sole right to the MLB licensing, can Boras keep his clients out of Topps products? As long as they sign a MLB contract, they should fall under the sole licensing that Topps and MLB have agreed to.

nooooope

you are thinking of a MLBPA deal


topps has the exclusive MLB Properties contract and is not endorsed by the MLBPA for baseball cards

They must sign every player individually for image rights.


However, etopps is the loop hole. eTopps DOES have a mlbpa contract and can print any player they want that is in the majors.

 

[mwashuc06]

Jenrry Mejia might be the top base card in the set.

 

[cgilmo]

[quote="Crash Davis":2t1zszxx]

Hanson, Santana, Freeman, Viciedo, Venditte... Already better than 2008 Auto checklist.

Lars, Villalona and Austin Jackson are better than all except perhaps the Viciedo.

I will take Hanson and Santana any day over those guys at this point.

Consider more than just the player. When 08 was released Lars was one of the top prospects in the game. Hanson and Santana both have had Bowman issues before.

History has proven time-and-time again, since at least 2008, that the first Bowman Chrome autograph is the most sought-after card of a player as opposed to their first Bowman Chrome prospect non-auto.

There are many case studies available which can be used to prove my theory such as David Price, Mike Moustakas, Jason Heyward, Madison Bumgarner and now Carlos Santana and Tommy Hanson.

It's irrelevant whether the player has had a previous Bowman issue so long as that issue was not a signed card. That is a fact.

And let me also mention that both Carlos Santana and Tommy Hanson were both considered top 5 overall MLB prospects, while Lars Anderson barely cracked the top 10. And his dismal 2009 showing has been a major reason why the 2008 Bowman Chrome product has dipped in price.[/quote:2t1zszxx]

there are many case studies that can be used to prove just about anything


However you aren't necessarily off base here. A players first bowman chrome auto has a wider audience than a non autographed or a sterling autograph. There are more people seeking the card. I saw this first hand when I was loaded with 05 Jordan Schafer blue refractors when he hit. I would have done much better with 08 bowman chrome autographs.

To me this says that the value of a base chrome is drastically neutered once a better option is avaliable. Ebay buyers no longer really care about the year of the card, they just want the first on card, major autograph release of the player. If it isn't available then they trickle down to other things. If it's too expensive then they trickle down to other things.

The onus though in my opinion is still on topps. If these base cards that were always a STRONG selling point of previous bowman chrome products take a major hit then what is the value in busting boxes of the stuff? Doesn't that make the boxes worth a TON less?

I would suggest to topps to start including 2 chrome autographs per box. I am fairly certain you can do it, and it shouldn't hurt secondary market values too much.

Your customers have been buying a great product over the years, but with the changes in format the boxes are lacking value. I think I speak for a pretty large chunk of bowman wax rippers when I say that its definitely time to include more value in this line. Perhaps a year past that time.

 

[ryanhoward06]

Base:

BCP 136 Chris Dominguez (now C.J. Lee)

Autos:

BCP93 Randall Delgado (now Matt Miller)
BCP98 Gift Negope (now Matt Mitchell)
BCP99 Dylan Lindsay (now Graham Hicks)
BCP104 Ernie Banks (now Argenis Diaz)
BCP107 Ryan Perry (now Cody Scarpetta)
BCP113 Kyle Weiland (new)
BCP114 Connor Graham (new)

Also:
Base: BCP147 Matt Mitchell (now Jenrry Mejia)
Autos: BCP103 Jefry Marte (now Edgar Olmos)
WBC: BCW25 Nan **** (now **** Chao), BCW31 Kuo-Hui Lo (now Kao Kuo-Ching), BCW32 Hung-Wen Chen (now Po Yu Lin)

Do you know if this is it?

Thanks.

 

[sheetskout]

Hanson, Santana, Freeman, Viciedo, Venditte... Already better than 2008 Auto checklist.

Dude....I highly disagree. Especially for a prospector.

 

[goblue6919]

pissed olmos is in the set. its gonna loose me a lot of money.

**** topps, they better make up for this ********* with a good 09 bdp.

this product sucks...again.

 

[AKA Coastal]

[quote="Crash Davis":2tkq6d3h]

Hanson, Santana, Freeman, Viciedo, Venditte... Already better than 2008 Auto checklist.

Lars, Villalona and Austin Jackson are better than all except perhaps the Viciedo.

I will take Hanson and Santana any day over those guys at this point.

Consider more than just the player. When 08 was released Lars was one of the top prospects in the game. Hanson and Santana both have had Bowman issues before.

History has proven time-and-time again, since at least 2008, that the first Bowman Chrome autograph is the most sought-after card of a player as opposed to their first Bowman Chrome prospect non-auto.

There are many case studies available which can be used to prove my theory such as David Price, Mike Moustakas, Jason Heyward, Madison Bumgarner and now Carlos Santana and Tommy Hanson.

It's irrelevant whether the player has had a previous Bowman issue so long as that issue was not a signed card. That is a fact.

And let me also mention that both Carlos Santana and Tommy Hanson were both considered top 5 overall MLB prospects, while Lars Anderson barely cracked the top 10. And his dismal 2009 showing has been a major reason why the 2008 Bowman Chrome product has dipped in price.

there are many case studies that can be used to prove just about anything


However you aren't necessarily off base here. A players first bowman chrome auto has a wider audience than a non autographed or a sterling autograph. There are more people seeking the card. I saw this first hand when I was loaded with 05 Jordan Schafer blue refractors when he hit. I would have done much better with 08 bowman chrome autographs.

To me this says that the value of a base chrome is drastically neutered once a better option is avaliable. Ebay buyers no longer really care about the year of the card, they just want the first on card, major autograph release of the player. If it isn't available then they trickle down to other things. If it's too expensive then they trickle down to other things.

The onus though in my opinion is still on topps. If these base cards that were always a STRONG selling point of previous bowman chrome products take a major hit then what is the value in busting boxes of the stuff? Doesn't that make the boxes worth a TON less?

I would suggest to topps to start including 2 chrome autographs per box. I am fairly certain you can do it, and it shouldn't hurt secondary market values too much.

Your customers have been buying a great product over the years, but with the changes in format the boxes are lacking value. I think I speak for a pretty large chunk of bowman wax rippers when I say that its definitely time to include more value in this line. Perhaps a year past that time.[/quote:2tkq6d3h]

Adding two more autographs to BC boxes would only work if they kept the same print run across the board and just sold less boxes/cases.

 

[thenumberonemetfan]

Xfractor ftw almost like an atomic

http://cgi.ebay.com/2009-Bowman-Chrome- ... 286.c0.m14

 

[aminors]

Xfractor ftw almost like an atomic

http://cgi.ebay.com/2009-Bowman-Chrome- ... 286.c0.m14

WOW. I'll have to see these in person...I may just do this year's set instead of those other two depending on whether or not they look so snazzy in person. I'm absolutely not a fan of last year's Xs at all. This could be the year. lol.

Anthony

 

[MacK]

09 Bowman Autographs are just sooo ugly.

The base is quite alright though.

 

[cgilmo]

[quote="Crash Davis":2ln0afa4]

[quote="Crash Davis":2ln0afa4]

Hanson, Santana, Freeman, Viciedo, Venditte... Already better than 2008 Auto checklist.

Lars, Villalona and Austin Jackson are better than all except perhaps the Viciedo.

I will take Hanson and Santana any day over those guys at this point.

Consider more than just the player. When 08 was released Lars was one of the top prospects in the game. Hanson and Santana both have had Bowman issues before.

History has proven time-and-time again, since at least 2008, that the first Bowman Chrome autograph is the most sought-after card of a player as opposed to their first Bowman Chrome prospect non-auto.

There are many case studies available which can be used to prove my theory such as David Price, Mike Moustakas, Jason Heyward, Madison Bumgarner and now Carlos Santana and Tommy Hanson.

It's irrelevant whether the player has had a previous Bowman issue so long as that issue was not a signed card. That is a fact.

And let me also mention that both Carlos Santana and Tommy Hanson were both considered top 5 overall MLB prospects, while Lars Anderson barely cracked the top 10. And his dismal 2009 showing has been a major reason why the 2008 Bowman Chrome product has dipped in price.

there are many case studies that can be used to prove just about anything


However you aren't necessarily off base here. A players first bowman chrome auto has a wider audience than a non autographed or a sterling autograph. There are more people seeking the card. I saw this first hand when I was loaded with 05 Jordan Schafer blue refractors when he hit. I would have done much better with 08 bowman chrome autographs.

To me this says that the value of a base chrome is drastically neutered once a better option is avaliable. Ebay buyers no longer really care about the year of the card, they just want the first on card, major autograph release of the player. If it isn't available then they trickle down to other things. If it's too expensive then they trickle down to other things.

The onus though in my opinion is still on topps. If these base cards that were always a STRONG selling point of previous bowman chrome products take a major hit then what is the value in busting boxes of the stuff? Doesn't that make the boxes worth a TON less?

I would suggest to topps to start including 2 chrome autographs per box. I am fairly certain you can do it, and it shouldn't hurt secondary market values too much.

Your customers have been buying a great product over the years, but with the changes in format the boxes are lacking value. I think I speak for a pretty large chunk of bowman wax rippers when I say that its definitely time to include more value in this line. Perhaps a year past that time.[/quote:2ln0afa4]

Adding two more autographs to BC boxes would only work if they kept the same print run across the board and just sold less boxes/cases.[/quote:2ln0afa4]


That is what I am suggesting.

However what I am suggesting will also raise the price of the boxes slightly. Still, this way will be better than buying 2 boxes for 2 chances at an auto.

 

[AKA Coastal]

[quote="Crash Davis":1he5da2j]

[quote="Crash Davis":1he5da2j]

[quote="koch1974":1he5da2j]Hanson, Santana, Freeman, Viciedo, Venditte... Already better than 2008 Auto checklist.

Lars, Villalona and Austin Jackson are better than all except perhaps the Viciedo.

I will take Hanson and Santana any day over those guys at this point.

Consider more than just the player. When 08 was released Lars was one of the top prospects in the game. Hanson and Santana both have had Bowman issues before.

History has proven time-and-time again, since at least 2008, that the first Bowman Chrome autograph is the most sought-after card of a player as opposed to their first Bowman Chrome prospect non-auto.

There are many case studies available which can be used to prove my theory such as David Price, Mike Moustakas, Jason Heyward, Madison Bumgarner and now Carlos Santana and Tommy Hanson.

It's irrelevant whether the player has had a previous Bowman issue so long as that issue was not a signed card. That is a fact.

And let me also mention that both Carlos Santana and Tommy Hanson were both considered top 5 overall MLB prospects, while Lars Anderson barely cracked the top 10. And his dismal 2009 showing has been a major reason why the 2008 Bowman Chrome product has dipped in price.

there are many case studies that can be used to prove just about anything


However you aren't necessarily off base here. A players first bowman chrome auto has a wider audience than a non autographed or a sterling autograph. There are more people seeking the card. I saw this first hand when I was loaded with 05 Jordan Schafer blue refractors when he hit. I would have done much better with 08 bowman chrome autographs.

To me this says that the value of a base chrome is drastically neutered once a better option is avaliable. Ebay buyers no longer really care about the year of the card, they just want the first on card, major autograph release of the player. If it isn't available then they trickle down to other things. If it's too expensive then they trickle down to other things.

The onus though in my opinion is still on topps. If these base cards that were always a STRONG selling point of previous bowman chrome products take a major hit then what is the value in busting boxes of the stuff? Doesn't that make the boxes worth a TON less?

I would suggest to topps to start including 2 chrome autographs per box. I am fairly certain you can do it, and it shouldn't hurt secondary market values too much.

Your customers have been buying a great product over the years, but with the changes in format the boxes are lacking value. I think I speak for a pretty large chunk of bowman wax rippers when I say that its definitely time to include more value in this line. Perhaps a year past that time.[/quote:1he5da2j]

Adding two more autographs to BC boxes would only work if they kept the same print run across the board and just sold less boxes/cases.[/quote:1he5da2j]


That is what I am suggesting.

However what I am suggesting will also raise the price of the boxes slightly. Still, this way will be better than buying 2 boxes for 2 chances at an auto.[/quote:1he5da2j]

Yea, I would be all up for that. I just don't want to see any flooding.

 

[cgilmo]

Yea, I would be all up for that. I just don't want to see any flooding.

Flooding is never a good idea.

 

[aminors]

Yea, I would be all up for that. I just don't want to see any flooding.

Flooding is never a good idea.

No, it is not.

Anthony

 

[19braves77]

I don't understand why they just don't create value for the autos by numbering them like they do the refractors. Like if a player was born in 87: Only 87 copies of that card. If a player plays catcher: Only two copies based on his position in score keeping. If he was drafted in the 16th round, only 16 copies.

 

[cgilmo]

I don't understand why they just don't create value for the autos by numbering them like they do the refractors. Like if a player was born in 87: Only 87 copies of that card. If a player plays catcher: Only two copies based on his position in score keeping. If he was drafted in the 16th round, only 16 copies.

because that would be confusing as hell, and simpler options are probably much better.