2010 "1990" ud stamped anniversary buy backs?

[Mark McGwire Museum]

Let me start off by saying that given the opportunity, I would have purchased every McGwire he had. Still would.

Now here is the issue I have with the cards. Why would UD put 20th Anniversary on a 1990 set. The 1989's packed out make sense. I just hope someone didn't buy the equipment and foil and stamp the sets themselves, meaning they could do it again (over and over). The only saving grace is that a whole set was stamped, not just star players which would be worth more, and it would have been just as easy to stamp a 1989 set.

Just my 1.9999 cents worth.

Cameron

That's a good point. When I first heard of 1990 UD buybacks, I thought, "So, what, they are stamped 21st Anniversary or what?? That would be odd as hell and doesn't make any sense." It's definitely a legit Upper Deck hologram, so who knows what Upper Deck was thinking. Maybe they saw the popularity and the sales of the '89 buybacks and decided to do it again. In the card business, a good concept is basically the equivalent of printing money. Maybe they were going to make it a staple of future sets a la Heritage's popularity. I don't have any idea, but player collector's have been duped plenty by "ambitious" sellers on eBay, from boiled Chrome card "proofs," advertising posters cut into squares for "square proofs" of the 80's discs, cutup sheets sold as "oversize" proofs just by cutting them bigger, and numerous other items, this at the very least would be the best "fake" version of a card out there so I'd actually still want it.

Why they were made we might not ever know, but anybody holding one would have to agree they are legit. Plus, some posters even recall the advertising from Upper Deck referencing these for the 2010 release.

 

[Titans74]

My problem isn't with cards, it's with the seller. Too many red flags for my liking. Claims to have purchased the sets at yard sale, then changed it to swap meet. Then gets all bent out of shape when people ask which it really was. Sellers location is 45 minutes from Upper Deck. Could be just a coincidence. Then again. The biggest glaring issue I have is anyone who comes to the table claiming to be a new guy, claiming to have no familiarity with sports card forums yet repeats "I don't post on Beckett anymore" and clearly knows his way around here far better than some non sports card new guy should.

Just has a off feeling about it. My money is that the seller is someone is is very familiar with BMB, BO and FCB. Came across a money making opportunity, that down the road will probably prove to be no so legit, and doesn't want his everyday known identity tied to it.

Just stating my personal opinion.

 

[Gwynn545]

Got it in and am posting with my 1989. Look, if these 1990's aren't legit, then....could you print me off a 1991 version, next! I'll pay the same thing! :lol:

Thanks for the card EXP619!

 

[DaClyde]

My problem isn't with cards, it's with the seller. Too many red flags for my liking. Claims to have purchased the sets at yard sale, then changed it to swap meet. Then gets all bent out of shape when people ask which it really was. Sellers location is 45 minutes from Upper Deck. Could be just a coincidence. Then again. The biggest glaring issue I have is anyone who comes to the table claiming to be a new guy, claiming to have no familiarity with sports card forums yet repeats "I don't post on Beckett anymore" and clearly knows his way around here far better than some non sports card new guy should.

Just has a off feeling about it. My money is that the seller is someone is is very familiar with BMB, BO and FCB. Came across a money making opportunity, that down the road will probably prove to be no so legit, and doesn't want his everyday known identity tied to it.

Just stating my personal opinion.

I DEMAND TO SEE A LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

 

[Titans74]

My strong opinion is that these cards are aftermarket "knock offs". If player collectors are happy with what they are buying that's all that really matters, so long as they know what they are paying for.

The one issue with the cards that leads me to believe that someone got ahold of the foil stamping process and created these on their own is the border edge on the foil stamp. The border edge is aligned for the left side stamping of the 1989 cards. You would think that if 100% legit UD would have flipped the border edge of the foik stamp to line up nicely on the right side of the 1990 set.

The cards look odd with the foils border edge not lined up with the cards edge but rather sticking out in the middle of the card.

 

[Jastermereel]

My player isn't in this set, so I can say as someone on the outside looking in that I agree there is definitely something fishy with these. I'd say the BEST case scenerio is that UD printed up a test set (or multiples apparently) and somehow they "slipped" out. Worst case is probably somebody has the stamper in their garage making these. One way or the other, I'm sure UD didn't approve of these cards being in the marketplace.

 

[exp619]

My problem isn't with cards, it's with the seller. Too many red flags for my liking. Claims to have purchased the sets at yard sale, then changed it to swap meet. Then gets all bent out of shape when people ask which it really was. Sellers location is 45 minutes from Upper Deck. Could be just a coincidence. Then again. The biggest glaring issue I have is anyone who comes to the table claiming to be a new guy, claiming to have no familiarity with sports card forums yet repeats "I don't post on Beckett anymore" and clearly knows his way around here far better than some non sports card new guy should.

Just has a off feeling about it. My money is that the seller is someone is is very familiar with BMB, BO and FCB. Came across a money making opportunity, that down the road will probably prove to be no so legit, and doesn't want his everyday known identity tied to it.

Just stating my personal opinion.

Unfortunately for you and those other FEW, I'm getting nothing but positive feedback from those who have already dealt with me.

I've already addressed the swap meet/garage sale confusion in my first post. Just because someone got your simple brain all twisted doesn't mean you can't go back and re-read and educate yourself on the facts.

Wait.....that might be too hard for you, I got you. Here's the quote.

But, I can assure you that there is no "shenanigans". I have a complete set of these 1990 20th Anniversary Buybacks, that I picked up at a garage sale not the swap meet. When I brought up the swap meet, I meant I see the "regular" 1990 set quite often at the swap meet

Yeah, I live more like 40 minutes from Carlsbad, Upper Decks home base.........whats your point? Just makes more sense that they ended up at a garage in San Diego, instead of Buffalo right?

No, I haven't been registered on ANY forum until I signed up at Beckett......wait I signed up at BO first but they took too long to activate my account, so I went to Beckett and posted this thread:

http://www.beckett.com/forums/thread-1483674.html

Do I know about sports card forums and my way around them? Are you serious, like I need a degree to operate around a sports forum or something?

Come on man, support your claims before you hit Submit next time you're coming off more of an idiot than the last guy.

EDIT: Oh, when you read my Beckett thread, you"ll notice by the 5th post there's an unprovoked request for the Conseco, so miss me with all that scam ********. Not one time have I tried to solicit a sale.

 

[DaClyde]

My player isn't in this set, so I can say as someone on the outside looking in that I agree there is definitely something fishy with these. I'd say the BEST case scenerio is that UD printed up a test set (or multiples apparently) and somehow they "slipped" out. Worst case is probably somebody has the stamper in their garage making these. One way or the other, I'm sure UD didn't approve of these cards being in the marketplace.

We're worried about the approval of a company involved in multiple copyright infringement and counterfeiting lawsuits? That's like hearing Rob Broder is frowning on all the recent Tobacco Classics and ZeeNut cards.

 

[BrewerSuperCollector]

My strong opinion is that these cards are aftermarket "knock offs". If player collectors are happy with what they are buying that's all that really matters, so long as they know what they are paying for.

The one issue with the cards that leads me to believe that someone got ahold of the foil stamping process and created these on their own is the border edge on the foil stamp. The border edge is aligned for the left side stamping of the 1989 cards. You would think that if 100% legit UD would have flipped the border edge of the foik stamp to line up nicely on the right side of the 1990 set.

The cards look odd with the foils border edge not lined up with the cards edge but rather sticking out in the middle of the card.

I think Upper Deck probably just used the same stamp process from the 1989 because it was easier.

 

[TramFan3]

Full disclosure :I purchased the Trammell from exp.

I dont see what the fuss is. At the end of the day whats happening here is the same thing as the 1990 donruss aqueous test cards. Im sure donruss didnt want them in the marketplace, but here they are. One thing im sure of, he would be making more money (fees included) if he were selling these on ebay. But hes not. Im sure hes making a dream of a profit anyway, but most of us player collectors are more than willing to pay a bit of a premium for a card that they may never see again.

Like he has said, he didn't (directly) post these on beckett looking to sell them, but a lot of us wanted them, and he saw the chance to make some money, who can blame him for that.

 

[A_Pharis]

So how many sets did this guy find? He's selling off individuals, but he's also supposedly made remarks along the lines of selling an additional full set.
Something's rotten in Denmark.

 

[A_Pharis]

Just read back a little and see there was some info filled in since I last read... I still think there's more to the story, but that's only because I've seen the stuff that sportscards can make people do for quick cash.

 

[Mark McGwire Museum]

I think Upper Deck probably just used the same stamp process from the 1989 because it was easier.

I agree. And switched sides because of the team logo placement of the 1990's. Anybody suggesting someone got ahold of "the machine" isn't familiar with equipment, production, associated costs, etc. They would have had one of their previous machines retrofitted with a different head to apply any different foil design. No way in hell they would need to purchase a separate piece of equipment. Also, an unused roll of Upper Deck holograms, the single most notable innovation Upper Deck contributed to baseball cards, walks out the back door? Do you know what kind of foresight would be needed to go through all that trouble just to put a stamp on a couple sets of 1990 Upper Deck? Anybody claiming someone got a piece of machinery from Upper Deck; Do you think they bought a whole new custom made piece of equipment every single time they changed the hologram design? That's crazy, but that's what you'd be implying.

 

[BrewerSuperCollector]

I think Upper Deck probably just used the same stamp process from the 1989 because it was easier.

I agree. And switched sides because of the team logo placement of the 1990's. Anybody suggesting someone got ahold of "the machine" isn't familiar with equipment, production, associated costs, etc. They would have had one of their previous machines retrofitted with a different head to apply any different foil design. No way in hell they would need to purchase a separate piece of equipment. Also, an unused roll of Upper Deck holograms, the single most notable innovation Upper Deck contributed to baseball cards, walks out the back door? Do you know what kind of foresight would be needed to go through all that trouble just to put a stamp on a couple sets of 1990 Upper Deck? Anybody claiming someone got a piece of machinery from Upper Deck; Do you think they bought a whole new custom made piece of equipment every single time they changed the hologram design? That's crazy, but that's what you'd be implying.

And, Here a biggie. If he was going to do this he would have used the 89 set with Griffey, and Randy Johnson. It was a set known to exist in the hobby with the largest star rookie card of its generation.

 

[A_Pharis]

Or... maybe the only style of UD hologram he could get his hands on didn't match was had already been used for the 89 buybacks so he knew he'd have to account for the difference.

It is strange that UD would swap hologram but not the diecut.

 

[Mark McGwire Museum]

And, Here a biggie. If he was going to do this he would have used the 89 set with Griffey, and Randy Johnson. It was a set known to exist in the hobby with the largest star rookie card of its generation.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

 

[Mark McGwire Museum]

Or... maybe the only style of UD hologram he could get his hands on didn't match was had already been used for the 89 buybacks so he knew he'd have to account for the difference.

It is strange that UD would swap hologram but not the diecut.

I have no idea what you are talking about. The 1989 and 1990 Buyback holograms are the exact same.

The difference in holograms I was referring to is the ones UD put on the back of the card through the years. They had the baseball diamond shape, a circle, a true diamond, and maybe even others I'm not remembering off the top of my head.

When holograms like this are produced to be applied on a surface, they aren't in the shape of whatever specific design you want. They aren't like a die-cut sticker or anything. It is a solid ribbon of hologram material fed through a machine, and then a head with the pattern "stamps" the surface, and usually some sort of heat is involved. That's probably exactly why Upper Decks hologram designs have changed over the years: to minimize waste.

 

[A_Pharis]

Umm... look at the examples posted in this thread of the 89s and then the 90s. The UD symbols on the holograms looks different to me.

 

[A_Pharis]

Got it in and am posting with my 1989. Look, if these 1990's aren't legit, then....could you print me off a 1991 version, next! I'll pay the same thing! :lol:

Thanks for the card EXP619!

Perfect example. On the left.. more angled (slanted) and larger UD symbol. On the right... smaller and straighter (aligned)

 

[A_Pharis]

And please note. I am talking about the UD symbol ON the hologram - not the shape of the die-cut. I know how these things are applied.