2011 NFL Draft chat thread

[Card Magnet]

call him an idiot, but he got us rings

Hmmm, a bandwagon fan. You must also like the Celtics. Still the 'Girls didn't have too bad of a draft and if Romo can stay healthy this year they will contend. They won't win it all but they will be there at the end of the season, well if there is one.

So funny every time I see you call the Cowboys a bandwagon team when you yourself are a fan of one of the largest bandwagon teams of the NBA :lol: .

 

[Rickzcards]

call him an idiot, but he got us rings

Hmmm, a bandwagon fan. You must also like the Celtics. Still the 'Girls didn't have too bad of a draft and if Romo can stay healthy this year they will contend. They won't win it all but they will be there at the end of the season, well if there is one.

So funny every time I see you call the Cowboys a bandwagon team when you yourself are a fan of one of the largest bandwagon teams of the NBA :lol: .

Actually here's the teams I like, believe it or not there is a common link among them. Dodgers, Lakers, Rams, Raiders, UCLA Bruins, Kings(hockey), & Sparks. If anything the Lakers are one of the most hated teams, I seem to remember Yahoo doing a poll last year and they won it easily. But it was before the whole Lebron thing.

 

[maxpower]

[quote="dfr52":2g1uu9l4]I'm surprised Herzlich wasn't selected. He didn't have a great combine but he consistently performed on the field.

Why wouldn't a team draft him in the 7th round, at that point, what do you have to lose? The reward out weighs the risk IMO. If he fails, who cares, it was just a 7th round pick.

He does have a rod in his leg from the treatment apparently.

With that said, this always gets me with the NFL draft. I have a hard time believing that guys like Alex Wujack, DeAndre McDaniel, Dane Sanzenbacher, Mark Herzlich, Jeff Maehl, etc. are less of a prospect that these small school guys. The produced big time at the highest level in college.

I know there is the size issue, but give me Kendric Burney any day over Cortez Allen, for example.

100% agree, they were successful against other big college programs and are worth a gamble in the later rounds.

Given that big school college performers have the benefit of exposure and name recognition, I suspect that teams have done enough homework on those guys to feel comfortable taking a pass.

My hunch is that the type of late round flier that you envision simply hasn't paid off very often, so teams end up looking to take higher upside unknown players.

I think they often gamble on small school players w/ pretty good measureables rather than take consistent big school performers in hopes of finding a hidden gem.[/quote:2g1uu9l4]

True, but in the end, aren't they simply looking for the best possible percentage play either way? It's only a 'gamble' to take a small school player if you believe you're giving something up by not taking the big school player. I suspect that the talent assessors (flawed as they are) have decided that the 'consistent big school performers' have little to no chance of making the team. They've seen enough of these big program guys to feel like they have a good read on their ability. Conversely, there's enough of a mystery around the 'sleepers' that they might actually make the team. Sort of like the choice between buying a lottery ticket with a dollar vs. simply throwing that dollar in the garbage. Either way, you're likely out a buck, but at least the lottery ticket has a chance of paying off.

Of course, this simply speaks to the overall philosophy. Obviously, the scouts make mistakes sometimes with the actual talent assessment.

 

[dfr52]

[quote="mstng99tim":3jfgqa8s][quote="dfr52":3jfgqa8s]I'm surprised Herzlich wasn't selected. He didn't have a great combine but he consistently performed on the field.

Why wouldn't a team draft him in the 7th round, at that point, what do you have to lose? The reward out weighs the risk IMO. If he fails, who cares, it was just a 7th round pick.

He does have a rod in his leg from the treatment apparently.

With that said, this always gets me with the NFL draft. I have a hard time believing that guys like Alex Wujack, DeAndre McDaniel, Dane Sanzenbacher, Mark Herzlich, Jeff Maehl, etc. are less of a prospect that these small school guys. The produced big time at the highest level in college.

I know there is the size issue, but give me Kendric Burney any day over Cortez Allen, for example.

100% agree, they were successful against other big college programs and are worth a gamble in the later rounds.

Given that big school college performers have the benefit of exposure and name recognition, I suspect that teams have done enough homework on those guys to feel comfortable taking a pass.

My hunch is that the type of late round flier that you envision simply hasn't paid off very often, so teams end up looking to take higher upside unknown players.

I think they often gamble on small school players w/ pretty good measureables rather than take consistent big school performers in hopes of finding a hidden gem.[/quote:3jfgqa8s]

True, but in the end, aren't they simply looking for the best possible percentage play either way? It's only a 'gamble' to take a small school player if you believe you're giving something up by not taking the big school player. I suspect that the talent assessors (flawed as they are) have decided that the 'consistent big school performers' have little to no chance of making the team. They've seen enough of these big program guys to feel like they have a good read on their ability. Conversely, there's enough of a mystery around the 'sleepers' that they might actually make the team. Sort of like the choice between buying a lottery ticket with a dollar vs. simply throwing that dollar in the garbage. Either way, you're likely out a buck, but at least the lottery ticket has a chance of paying off.

Of course, this simply speaks to the overall philosophy. Obviously, the scouts make mistakes sometimes with the actual talent assessment.[/quote:3jfgqa8s]

I agree w/ everything but the comparision. I don't see it as throwing a dollar away but rather finding and buying an item worth a buck rather than risking a buck on a lottery ticket.

 

[maxpower]

[quote="Brad":2o6pu01n][quote="mstng99tim":2o6pu01n][quote="dfr52":2o6pu01n]I'm surprised Herzlich wasn't selected. He didn't have a great combine but he consistently performed on the field.

Why wouldn't a team draft him in the 7th round, at that point, what do you have to lose? The reward out weighs the risk IMO. If he fails, who cares, it was just a 7th round pick.

He does have a rod in his leg from the treatment apparently.

With that said, this always gets me with the NFL draft. I have a hard time believing that guys like Alex Wujack, DeAndre McDaniel, Dane Sanzenbacher, Mark Herzlich, Jeff Maehl, etc. are less of a prospect that these small school guys. The produced big time at the highest level in college.

I know there is the size issue, but give me Kendric Burney any day over Cortez Allen, for example.

100% agree, they were successful against other big college programs and are worth a gamble in the later rounds.

Given that big school college performers have the benefit of exposure and name recognition, I suspect that teams have done enough homework on those guys to feel comfortable taking a pass.

My hunch is that the type of late round flier that you envision simply hasn't paid off very often, so teams end up looking to take higher upside unknown players.

I think they often gamble on small school players w/ pretty good measureables rather than take consistent big school performers in hopes of finding a hidden gem.[/quote:2o6pu01n]

True, but in the end, aren't they simply looking for the best possible percentage play either way? It's only a 'gamble' to take a small school player if you believe you're giving something up by not taking the big school player. I suspect that the talent assessors (flawed as they are) have decided that the 'consistent big school performers' have little to no chance of making the team. They've seen enough of these big program guys to feel like they have a good read on their ability. Conversely, there's enough of a mystery around the 'sleepers' that they might actually make the team. Sort of like the choice between buying a lottery ticket with a dollar vs. simply throwing that dollar in the garbage. Either way, you're likely out a buck, but at least the lottery ticket has a chance of paying off.

Of course, this simply speaks to the overall philosophy. Obviously, the scouts make mistakes sometimes with the actual talent assessment.[/quote:2o6pu01n]

I agree w/ everything but the comparision. I don't see it as throwing a dollar away but rather finding and buying an item worth a buck rather than risking a buck on a lottery ticket.[/quote:2o6pu01n]

I get what you're saying and agree that the players aren't 'garbage'. I think that in the case of the undrafted consistent performers, the scouts probably feel like a player worth the hypothetical $1 simply isn't going to make the team (and so convince themselves that the lottery ticket is the smarter play).

Again, they're sometimes wrong, so the dollar player actually ends up being worth $10. Hope that happens with Herzlich.