24: Over the Hill? Or just getting started...

[HoustonTeams4Me]

You think constantly buying and selling to be easy? Do you bother keeping track of prices every day of everything you have? Maybe you just sell at a loss all the time :lol:

A person buying and selling is investing, or prospecting but not really collecting; we're talking collectors here.

For those who follow thier sport of choice (& collect that sport) it should not be rocket science to know a good time to sell...Ex. Player "X" is a Rookie riding a hot streak, it is somewhat common sense to give that player's card's a "looksy" on Ebay to see how they're doing & determine if it's a good time to move... (but I apologize if I'm giving you a bit much credit in the common sense department).

In the sportscard hobby, we as collector's/prospector's/investor's are VERY lucky- as we already enjoy watching, paying attention, discussing, disecting, & have several channel's that give us non-stop access to the one main thing that decides which way the market will move/fluctuate/dip/or doodle...we get to watch "SPORT'S" (& love it up while we do)! Most of us don't realize that broker's would give thier "Mr. Lefty" to have it as easy as we do. We get to watch what we love, take note of a change or increase in production, & decide whether that production/performance should sway us to buy, sell, or trade away our little cardboard investment's (tax free)!

Unique, if I lost you above- my apologies! :|

 

[Hallsgator]

Considering J.P. will be 24 next season, it's the age to start a great career.

 

[Topnotchsy]

Look at Nelson Cruz for another good example: guy debuted at 25 and is getting his first full season this year at 28. He's an all-star, a Home Run Derby participant, and has 27 homers. As far as cards go, ask the guys that held onto him until this year. They'll tell you how much money they made off this guy.

I think this example proves the opposite. Look at Cruz's prices now...his BC RC went for $1.55 most recently on thepit.com. Despite the fact he has had a great season, the prices of his cards don't come close to reflecting that, and this is the reality of the market. Cruz might wind up a great player, but the odds of him having a career that merits long term recognition are next to nil, and while I do think his cards are extremely cheap now and might go up from this point, it's hard to see a reason that they'll ever hit $10 a Chrome.

 

[justinmandawg]

I would guess that the average rookie year age of players who made the Hall of Fame is significantly less than 24 as superstars seem to establish themselves before that age.

Alex

Define significant

I'm running the numbers on MLB players that made the HOF. This won't include hofers that are not players in the mlb.

 

[All The Hype]

Look at Nelson Cruz for another good example: guy debuted at 25 and is getting his first full season this year at 28. He's an all-star, a Home Run Derby participant, and has 27 homers. As far as cards go, ask the guys that held onto him until this year. They'll tell you how much money they made off this guy.

I think this example proves the opposite. Look at Cruz's prices now...his BC RC went for $1.55 most recently on thepit.com. Despite the fact he has had a great season, the prices of his cards don't come close to reflecting that, and this is the reality of the market. Cruz might wind up a great player, but the odds of him having a career that merits long term recognition are next to nil, and while I do think his cards are extremely cheap now and might go up from this point, it's hard to see a reason that they'll ever hit $10 a Chrome.

You also have to keep in mind that he's batting just over .260. But for a player in his first full season, I'd call a 27 homerun season a huge success.

Not to single you out here, but it's just unrealistic expectations that create this argument.

Not every player is going to be a hall of famer. That's reality.

But what's wrong with a guy like Cruz who will probably hit 25-35 homers for the next 5 seasons? What's wrong with an all-star caliber major leaguer that doesn't make the hall of fame? Guys like Carlos Delgado or Andy Pettite, who have been outstanding players and made big contributions to their teams and to the game of baseball throughout their careers, but probably won't make the hall of fame.

 

[ThoseBackPages]

There's nothing "wrong" with "good" ball players at all.
But don't expect hobby money love for them.
This board is such a small percentage of the hobby.
But I'm pretty confident when I say...
Johnny Cardfan is spending *** amount on player yyy's
rookie card with the hopes of yyy being the "next"
Mantle/Griffey/etc not the next Ray Lankford or Fred Lynn
as far as cards go

 

[aw00d05]

Look at Nelson Cruz for another good example: guy debuted at 25 and is getting his first full season this year at 28. He's an all-star, a Home Run Derby participant, and has 27 homers. As far as cards go, ask the guys that held onto him until this year. They'll tell you how much money they made off this guy.

I think this example proves the opposite. Look at Cruz's prices now...his BC RC went for $1.55 most recently on thepit.com. Despite the fact he has had a great season, the prices of his cards don't come close to reflecting that, and this is the reality of the market. Cruz might wind up a great player, but the odds of him having a career that merits long term recognition are next to nil, and while I do think his cards are extremely cheap now and might go up from this point, it's hard to see a reason that they'll ever hit $10 a Chrome.

They were $5 a piece at the start of the year though, that's when the money was made, SPA auto's were going over $70.

 

[AKA Coastal]

Look at Nelson Cruz for another good example: guy debuted at 25 and is getting his first full season this year at 28. He's an all-star, a Home Run Derby participant, and has 27 homers. As far as cards go, ask the guys that held onto him until this year. They'll tell you how much money they made off this guy.

I think this example proves the opposite. Look at Cruz's prices now...his BC RC went for $1.55 most recently on thepit.com. Despite the fact he has had a great season, the prices of his cards don't come close to reflecting that, and this is the reality of the market. Cruz might wind up a great player, but the odds of him having a career that merits long term recognition are next to nil, and while I do think his cards are extremely cheap now and might go up from this point, it's hard to see a reason that they'll ever hit $10 a Chrome.

They were $5 a piece at the start of the year though, that's when the money was made, SPA auto's were going over $70.

I had over 200 Nelson Cruz's at .70 a piece on thepit. They got up to $4.25 on thepit. Sat at $3.60 for a bit. Plenty of dough to be made. It's much easier/safer to prospect cougars than it is the next Maybin, Gordon, Upton, Harper, etc. Age matters when it comes to making the HOF ,but when it comes to a quick flip it doesn't mean squat.

 

[Topnotchsy]

[quote="ALL_THE_HYPE":1miczhu1]

Look at Nelson Cruz for another good example: guy debuted at 25 and is getting his first full season this year at 28. He's an all-star, a Home Run Derby participant, and has 27 homers. As far as cards go, ask the guys that held onto him until this year. They'll tell you how much money they made off this guy.

I think this example proves the opposite. Look at Cruz's prices now...his BC RC went for $1.55 most recently on thepit.com. Despite the fact he has had a great season, the prices of his cards don't come close to reflecting that, and this is the reality of the market. Cruz might wind up a great player, but the odds of him having a career that merits long term recognition are next to nil, and while I do think his cards are extremely cheap now and might go up from this point, it's hard to see a reason that they'll ever hit $10 a Chrome.

They were $5 a piece at the start of the year though, that's when the money was made, SPA auto's were going over $70.

I had over 200 Nelson Cruz's at .70 a piece on thepit. They got up to $4.25 on thepit. Sat at $3.60 for a bit. Plenty of dough to be made. It's much easier/safer to prospect cougars than it is the next Maybin, Gordon, Upton, Harper, etc. Age matters when it comes to making the HOF ,but when it comes to a quick flip it doesn't mean squat.[/quote:1miczhu1]If I recall correctly, it was a post you made that led to a very short lived frenzy when prices jumped significantly. Not relevant though, as it does not really relate to the idea of the post which is that there older players rarely end up being worth too much. Every player is a "good investment" if a person buys when prices are cheap and sells when they are high, but a really short term spike like Cruz's offers little to any investor who missed on a very small window.

 

[AKA Coastal]

[quote="ALL_THE_HYPE":b4za02e9]

Look at Nelson Cruz for another good example: guy debuted at 25 and is getting his first full season this year at 28. He's an all-star, a Home Run Derby participant, and has 27 homers. As far as cards go, ask the guys that held onto him until this year. They'll tell you how much money they made off this guy.

I think this example proves the opposite. Look at Cruz's prices now...his BC RC went for $1.55 most recently on thepit.com. Despite the fact he has had a great season, the prices of his cards don't come close to reflecting that, and this is the reality of the market. Cruz might wind up a great player, but the odds of him having a career that merits long term recognition are next to nil, and while I do think his cards are extremely cheap now and might go up from this point, it's hard to see a reason that they'll ever hit $10 a Chrome.

They were $5 a piece at the start of the year though, that's when the money was made, SPA auto's were going over $70.

I had over 200 Nelson Cruz's at .70 a piece on thepit. They got up to $4.25 on thepit. Sat at $3.60 for a bit. Plenty of dough to be made. It's much easier/safer to prospect cougars than it is the next Maybin, Gordon, Upton, Harper, etc. Age matters when it comes to making the HOF ,but when it comes to a quick flip it doesn't mean squat.

If I recall correctly, it was a post you made that led to a very short lived frenzy when prices jumped significantly. Not relevant though, as it does not really relate to the idea of the post which is that there older players rarely end up being worth too much. Every player is a "good investment" if a person buys when prices are cheap and sells when they are high, but a really short term spike like Cruz's offers little to any investor who missed on a very small window.[/quote:b4za02e9]

Yea, it was me.

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

[quote="ALL_THE_HYPE":3md4buhv]

Look at Nelson Cruz for another good example: guy debuted at 25 and is getting his first full season this year at 28. He's an all-star, a Home Run Derby participant, and has 27 homers. As far as cards go, ask the guys that held onto him until this year. They'll tell you how much money they made off this guy.

I think this example proves the opposite. Look at Cruz's prices now...his BC RC went for $1.55 most recently on thepit.com. Despite the fact he has had a great season, the prices of his cards don't come close to reflecting that, and this is the reality of the market. Cruz might wind up a great player, but the odds of him having a career that merits long term recognition are next to nil, and while I do think his cards are extremely cheap now and might go up from this point, it's hard to see a reason that they'll ever hit $10 a Chrome.

They were $5 a piece at the start of the year though, that's when the money was made, SPA auto's were going over $70.

I had over 200 Nelson Cruz's at .70 a piece on thepit. They got up to $4.25 on thepit. Sat at $3.60 for a bit. Plenty of dough to be made. It's much easier/safer to prospect cougars than it is the next Maybin, Gordon, Upton, Harper, etc. Age matters when it comes to making the HOF ,but when it comes to a quick flip it doesn't mean squat.

If I recall correctly, it was a post you made that led to a very short lived frenzy when prices jumped significantly. Not relevant though, as it does not really relate to the idea of the post which is that there older players rarely end up being worth too much. Every player is a "good investment" if a person buys when prices are cheap and sells when they are high, but a really short term spike like Cruz's offers little to any investor who missed on a very small window.[/quote:3md4buhv]

I'll be the first to say that AKA's post had nothing to do with the jump in SV on N.Cruz's Rc stuff (not trying to be rude but that is kinda funny to insinuate such a thing :lol: )....The fact is, Cruz was speculated in the offseason to do enormous things because of the previous year (he was called up late in the season & punished major league pitching to the tune of:

19R, 38Hits, 9-2B's, 1-3B, 7HR, 26RBI, 17BB, 28K, 3SB, .330avg, .421-OBP, .609-SLG, 1.030- OPS

All in a span of 31 Games & 115 At-Bat's!!! :shock:

So everyone who was following: fantasy sports, the Texas Rangers, or the game of baseball "closely enough" kinda had an idea that his stuff would be ticking upward come spring training of the following season... & unless AKA was a Sports Center evening anchorman who kept gushing over N.Cruz's potential, I don't see him having any noticeable impact on the huge jump that N.Cruz's stuff had (which by the way, was NOT a small window...this wasn't a Jonathan Sanchez type of "No-Hitter" increase, it was an expected increase by many & lasted for several weeks; maybe even a little over a month)!

 

[Topnotchsy]

[quote="ALL_THE_HYPE":36jycqes]

Look at Nelson Cruz for another good example: guy debuted at 25 and is getting his first full season this year at 28. He's an all-star, a Home Run Derby participant, and has 27 homers. As far as cards go, ask the guys that held onto him until this year. They'll tell you how much money they made off this guy.

I think this example proves the opposite. Look at Cruz's prices now...his BC RC went for $1.55 most recently on thepit.com. Despite the fact he has had a great season, the prices of his cards don't come close to reflecting that, and this is the reality of the market. Cruz might wind up a great player, but the odds of him having a career that merits long term recognition are next to nil, and while I do think his cards are extremely cheap now and might go up from this point, it's hard to see a reason that they'll ever hit $10 a Chrome.

They were $5 a piece at the start of the year though, that's when the money was made, SPA auto's were going over $70.

I had over 200 Nelson Cruz's at .70 a piece on thepit. They got up to $4.25 on thepit. Sat at $3.60 for a bit. Plenty of dough to be made. It's much easier/safer to prospect cougars than it is the next Maybin, Gordon, Upton, Harper, etc. Age matters when it comes to making the HOF ,but when it comes to a quick flip it doesn't mean squat.

If I recall correctly, it was a post you made that led to a very short lived frenzy when prices jumped significantly. Not relevant though, as it does not really relate to the idea of the post which is that there older players rarely end up being worth too much. Every player is a "good investment" if a person buys when prices are cheap and sells when they are high, but a really short term spike like Cruz's offers little to any investor who missed on a very small window.

I'll be the first to say that AKA's post had nothing to do with the jump in SV on N.Cruz's Rc stuff (not trying to be rude but that is kinda funny to insinuate such a thing :lol: )....The fact is, Cruz was speculated in the offseason to do enormous things because of the previous year (he was called up late in the season & punished major league pitching to the tune of:

19R, 38Hits, 9-2B's, 1-3B, 7HR, 26RBI, 17BB, 28K, 3SB, .330avg, .421-OBP, .609-SLG, 1.030- OPS

All in a span of 31 Games & 115 At-Bat's!!! :shock:

So everyone who was following: fantasy sports, the Texas Rangers, or the game of baseball "closely enough" kinda had an idea that his stuff would be ticking upward come spring training of the following season... & unless AKA was a Sports Center evening anchorman who kept gushing over N.Cruz's potential, I don't see him having any noticeable impact on the huge jump that N.Cruz's stuff had (which by the way, was NOT a small window...this wasn't a Jonathan Sanchez type of "No-Hitter" increase, it was an expected increase by many & lasted for several weeks; maybe even a little over a month)! [/quote:36jycqes]I disagree (in relation to the jump on thepit.com at least.) At one time there was a jump of over 200% in a single day, and within 2-3 days the jump was probably closer to 400% and it was right when the post was made. All it takes on thepit are a small handful of people buying to increase prices.

In no way do I think that there is anything wrong with what AKA did (just want to make that clear.) In fact, I do think his prices were way low before the jump, and am surprised at how low they are now when he's had a really impressive season. I do believe that the jump itself was heavily influenced by the post, and I can name other players and sets that have seen jumps directly because of posts on these boards (and their previous incarnations.)