4 boxes of 2010 Razor Legends

[excel_B]

Casey Stengel 1950 Bowman PSA 7 & Richie Ashburn 1958 Topps PSA 7

1961 Topps NL Home Run Leaders PSA 9 Nolan Ryan (2nd yr) 1969 Topps PSA 7

These are for sale!

 

[Weimer]

Nice cards but you might want to re-size the scans. Those are huuuuuuge.

 

[kentuckyderby]

ryan might get you $125-165?
bouwob maybe????
the HR leader and the ashburn maybe 20-25 each?
stengel maybe 70-80? depends on if set collector wants the psa 7


Should have done this ----------$1K spent on Eskenderea in The Preakness

 

[Bob Loblaw]

A grand buys you 200 worth of product. A glorified grab bag. Nothing wrong with it at 100 a pack but at 250..... Ugh.

 

[js0000001]

The Ryan is my favorite with the Stengel a close 2nd

 

[excel_B]

These cards will be in Ebay tonight... Just to let you know. Thanks!

 

[Moonlight Graham]

ryan might get you $125-165?
bouwob maybe????
the HR leader and the ashburn maybe 20-25 each?
stengel maybe 70-80? depends on if set collector wants the psa 7


Should have done this ----------$1K spent on Eskenderea in The Preakness

Future book on the Preakness?

I bought in with Lookin' for Lucky, Eskanderea to Win,Place... also boxed them with the field in the Exacta Future Book #2

 

[kentuckyderby]

ryan might get you $125-165?
bouwob maybe????
the HR leader and the ashburn maybe 20-25 each?
stengel maybe 70-80? depends on if set collector wants the psa 7


Should have done this ----------$1K spent on Eskenderea in The Preakness

Future book on the Preakness?

I bought in with Lookin' for Lucky, Eskanderea to Win,Place... also boxed them with the field in the Exacta Future Book #2

NOt a future book but thought he lived near Baltimore (why I said Preakness and not Derby)
Did Eskanderea to win and also some future exacta boxes with 3-4 horse plus the field

 

[Leaf]

ryan might get you $125-165?
bouwob maybe????
the HR leader and the ashburn maybe 20-25 each?
stengel maybe 70-80? depends on if set collector wants the psa 7


Should have done this ----------$1K spent on Eskenderea in The Preakness

Ill buy ryan at $175!
iill buy the HR leader card at $175!
ill buy the stengel at $87.50!
Ill buy the ashburn at $45.

OP, Let me know if you want to sell!
Obviously, some posters estimating values don't know market values.
BG

 

[cgilmo]

ryan might get you $125-165?
bouwob maybe????
the HR leader and the ashburn maybe 20-25 each?
stengel maybe 70-80? depends on if set collector wants the psa 7


Should have done this ----------$1K spent on Eskenderea in The Preakness

Ill buy ryan at $175!
iill buy the HR leader card at $175!
ill buy the stengel at $87.50!
Ill buy the ashburn at $45.

OP, Let me know if you want to sell!
Obviously, some posters estimating values don't know market values.
BG

and some posters are undervaluing the thrill of the big pull


geesh,

 

[Bob Loblaw]

ryan might get you $125-165?
bouwob maybe????
the HR leader and the ashburn maybe 20-25 each?
stengel maybe 70-80? depends on if set collector wants the psa 7


Should have done this ----------$1K spent on Eskenderea in The Preakness

Ill buy ryan at $175!
iill buy the HR leader card at $175!
ill buy the stengel at $87.50!
Ill buy the ashburn at $45.

OP, Let me know if you want to sell!
Obviously, some posters estimating values don't know market values.
BG

Still more than a 50% loss, is it not?

Edit: Didn't realize the HR leaders was a PSA 9. That's a fine card.

 

[js0000001]

ryan might get you $125-165?
bouwob maybe????
the HR leader and the ashburn maybe 20-25 each?
stengel maybe 70-80? depends on if set collector wants the psa 7


Should have done this ----------$1K spent on Eskenderea in The Preakness

Ill buy ryan at $175!
iill buy the HR leader card at $175!
ill buy the stengel at $87.50!
Ill buy the ashburn at $45.

OP, Let me know if you want to sell!
Obviously, some posters estimating values don't know market values.
BG

Still more than a 50% loss, is it not?

Edit: Didn't realize the HR leaders was a PSA 9. That's a fine card.

Yeah those PSA 9s sell pretty good

 

[Leaf]

ryan might get you $125-165?
bouwob maybe????
the HR leader and the ashburn maybe 20-25 each?
stengel maybe 70-80? depends on if set collector wants the psa 7


Should have done this ----------$1K spent on Eskenderea in The Preakness

Ill buy ryan at $175!
iill buy the HR leader card at $175!
ill buy the stengel at $87.50!
Ill buy the ashburn at $45.

OP, Let me know if you want to sell!
Obviously, some posters estimating values don't know market values.
BG

Still more than a 50% loss, is it not?

Edit: Didn't realize the HR leaders was a PSA 9. That's a fine card.

He didnt hit any "big" cards... plus, that's just my buy price and I am confident on ebay I would only win one of the four.
BG

 

[kentuckyderby]

OP, now is the time to list
I have a feeling if you list now, this might be the best time to get back some of your cash
Some might jack up price just to prove me wrong
I still think PSA 7 Ryan gets 125-165 and the ashburn doesn't crack $30
but like I said, list now and benefit on those proving me wrong

OP, you're welcome for putting afew more dolars in your pocket

BTW, I was already 1-0 with my "predictions"

BG-- you offered $175 on Ryan as if my prediction/guesstimation was waaaaay off (I said it could reach into the 160s possibly on the high end ---that's near 175)
Same with the stengel ---- I said 70-80 and you offered 87.50
The only one I was waaaaay off = the HR leaders and that's because I thought it was a PSA 7

The OP should take you up on offer

 

[kentuckyderby]

correction on the HR leaders
I wrongly assumed it was a PSA 7
the PSA will reach triple digits no doubt

 

[matfanofold]

Here is my query...

BG claims that if one person bought ALL of the packs, then he would get about a 75% ROI, is this correct? Then direct comparison(s) are made to other products and the percentage of average ROI, no? Well, is this not only half the story? Let me explain. Take Bowman draft for example. Is it fair to say the average ROI per box break is 35%?(I've heard both 30% and 40% so I am averaging them..) If so, what does this break down in real life terms, I mean on average, what percentage of boxs are we making money on? Would it be fair to say 1 out of 10 boxs are getting a positive ROI? 1 out of 20 boxs? 1 out of 5??? Point being, saying '75% ROI' when discussing total pack out is meaningless unless put in to context. If there is just 1 $30,000 Mantle in there and the next 1000 packs are a bust for ROI. And from what I have seen thus far, out of the, oh I dont know... ~100 packs busted, I have yet to see any card save for probablly 1 that I would consider a immediate positive ROI. There have been a few that have the potential to make the money back or atleast come close, and the rest were, well... not good for $~200.

So, the real question here is.....

Is all of that 75% ROI lumped up in couple cards while the rest are going to be disapointment? And if so, does knowing this change your feelings about the product and your potential for an actual 'hit'?

Because if this is appealing to you, I have a proposition...


I'll take 100 envelopes and stick $50 in 98 of them and $5000 in 2 of them. I'll sell each for $200 and randomly dispurse them. Sound good?

 

[kentuckyderby]

I totally understand that people shouldn't expect to "break even" when busting boxes of any product
Heck, I understand that the majority will not even get 50% ROI
(that's why people SHOULD buy singles only, but then again, the "rush" isn't there if you don't bust)

The problem with this product (and Oval Office) = what happens if/when the Mantle is hit?

It would be to the benefit of those holding boxes/cases (dealers) that the Mantle stay underground for awhile

 

[kentuckyderby]

I noticed you pulled your auctions?
Any luck selling offline?

I noticed a PSA 7 Ryan sold for $137 last week and another ending this morning and currently in low 130s

I guess my estimation wasn't as crazy as some experts might have made it seem

Looks like your best card might turn out to be the HR leaders
Might get a PSA 9 set builder willing to fork over some nice cash

 

[Leaf]

Here is my query...

BG claims that if one person bought ALL of the packs, then he would get about a 75% ROI, is this correct? Then direct comparison(s) are made to other products and the percentage of average ROI, no? Well, is this not only half the story? Let me explain. Take Bowman draft for example. Is it fair to say the average ROI per box break is 35%?(I've heard both 30% and 40% so I am averaging them..) If so, what does this break down in real life terms, I mean on average, what percentage of boxs are we making money on? Would it be fair to say 1 out of 10 boxs are getting a positive ROI? 1 out of 20 boxs? 1 out of 5??? Point being, saying '75% ROI' when discussing total pack out is meaningless unless put in to context. If there is just 1 $30,000 Mantle in there and the next 1000 packs are a bust for ROI. And from what I have seen thus far, out of the, oh I dont know... ~100 packs busted, I have yet to see any card save for probablly 1 that I would consider a immediate positive ROI. There have been a few that have the potential to make the money back or atleast come close, and the rest were, well... not good for $~200.

So, the real question here is.....

Is all of that 75% ROI lumped up in couple cards while the rest are going to be disapointment? And if so, does knowing this change your feelings about the product and your potential for an actual 'hit'?

Because if this is appealing to you, I have a proposition...


I'll take 100 envelopes and stick $50 in 98 of them and $5000 in 2 of them. I'll sell each for $200 and randomly dispurse them. Sound good?

I can tell you that values are not skewed "that" badly.
The average pack yields a card between $100-$115. The worst card is $50. The best card is $30,000.
Tons of nice $250-1500 cards in the product. Its not all or nothing.
Doesn't seem too crazy to me, as this was a $185 factory cost.

While I am not goint to rest my laurels on delivering more value than others. I will stand behind my previous claim that 90% of all trading card releases yield under 35% acorss the print run (may even be worse).

This may seem like a "slot machine" to you, but it is sitting in the middle of the casino from Vegas Vacation with Chevy Chase (translated for those who havent seen movie: best odds in a bad casino).

This is the nature of wax. Some win, some lose. When was the last time there was a $30,000 card in a very short produced release?

BG

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Here is my query...

BG claims that if one person bought ALL of the packs, then he would get about a 75% ROI, is this correct? Then direct comparison(s) are made to other products and the percentage of average ROI, no? Well, is this not only half the story? Let me explain. Take Bowman draft for example. Is it fair to say the average ROI per box break is 35%?(I've heard both 30% and 40% so I am averaging them..) If so, what does this break down in real life terms, I mean on average, what percentage of boxs are we making money on? Would it be fair to say 1 out of 10 boxs are getting a positive ROI? 1 out of 20 boxs? 1 out of 5??? Point being, saying '75% ROI' when discussing total pack out is meaningless unless put in to context. If there is just 1 $30,000 Mantle in there and the next 1000 packs are a bust for ROI. And from what I have seen thus far, out of the, oh I dont know... ~100 packs busted, I have yet to see any card save for probablly 1 that I would consider a immediate positive ROI. There have been a few that have the potential to make the money back or atleast come close, and the rest were, well... not good for $~200.

So, the real question here is.....

Is all of that 75% ROI lumped up in couple cards while the rest are going to be disapointment? And if so, does knowing this change your feelings about the product and your potential for an actual 'hit'?

Because if this is appealing to you, I have a proposition...


I'll take 100 envelopes and stick $50 in 98 of them and $5000 in 2 of them. I'll sell each for $200 and randomly dispurse them. Sound good?

I can tell you that values are not skewed "that" badly.
The average pack yields a card between $100-$115. The worst card is $50. The best card is $30,000.
Tons of nice $250-1500 cards in the product. Its not all or nothing.
Doesn't seem too crazy to me, as this was a $185 factory cost.

While I am not goint to rest my laurels on delivering more value than others. I will stand behind my previous claim that 90% of all trading card releases yield under 35% acorss the print run (may even be worse).

This may seem like a "slot machine" to you, but it is sitting in the middle of the casino from Vegas Vacation with Chevy Chase (translated for those who havent seen movie: best odds in a bad casino).

This is the nature of wax. Some win, some lose. When was the last time there was a $30,000 card in a very short produced release?

BG

Instead of coming here and making the assertions, that there are great cards in this product, which are not backed up by recent breaks, why not release a complete list of every card inserted in the product? I would figure that should be reasonably accessable. You were able to do it for the Presidential Cuts...