Accusations from fellow FCBer. Need help and opinions. THX

[matfanofold]

It would be nice to hear the other side of this delima before judgment is thrown about. I know you say it was not trimmed, but at this point it's just your word against his. Not saying your lying, but it's not impossible because you say so. Hopefully the meeber will come here and share his point of view, and contribute to the discussion. I'd like to hear his side of things to see if it is indeed a valid claim, or just buyers remorse. If it's just buyers remorse and no validity can be shown to support his claim(s), then a refund would no be made by me. However, if his claim(s) do have validity(meaning he can actually show reasonable proof that the card was trimmed) then he should be refunded and the card returned.

And again, I know your going to chime in and state you, and you alone, have had the card and did not trim it. I understand your side, but it just can not be taken as absolute proof. I would like to hear the other side first, see if any validity to his claim exists.

Oh I completely understand, but of course I want him to state his side of the issue because it will show that it is not valid. I have a call into Topps already on this issue. Like others have said, why would anyone trim a bowman chrome card of this value. Secondly when it is off center already.

True, but even slightly off centered cards can have 'soft' corners where a quick trim by a razor can make it pretty again. Saying it's trimmed does not equate to beng completely trimmed. And again, I'm not saying you did anything, I just want to give the benefit of the doubt that he may precieve a valid claim, and give him a chance to put it fourth before being labled a sham.

 

[jbhofmann]

Just wondering if you have posted a scan of the Blue in question? I can't see photos from work computer.

That might help.

 

[LazerShow15]

It would be nice to hear the other side of this delima before judgment is thrown about. I know you say it was not trimmed, but at this point it's just your word against his. Not saying your lying, but it's not impossible because you say so. Hopefully the meeber will come here and share his point of view, and contribute to the discussion. I'd like to hear his side of things to see if it is indeed a valid claim, or just buyers remorse. If it's just buyers remorse and no validity can be shown to support his claim(s), then a refund would no be made by me. However, if his claim(s) do have validity(meaning he can actually show reasonable proof that the card was trimmed) then he should be refunded and the card returned.

And again, I know your going to chime in and state you, and you alone, have had the card and did not trim it. I understand your side, but it just can not be taken as absolute proof. I would like to hear the other side first, see if any validity to his claim exists.

Oh I completely understand, but of course I want him to state his side of the issue because it will show that it is not valid. I have a call into Topps already on this issue. Like others have said, why would anyone trim a bowman chrome card of this value. Secondly when it is off center already.

True, but even slightly off centered cards can have 'soft' corners where a quick trim by a razor can make it pretty again. Saying it's trimmed does not equate to beng completely trimmed. And again, I'm not saying you did anything, I just want to give the benefit of the doubt that he may precieve a valid claim, and give him a chance to put it fourth before being labled a sham.

Understood, but like I said, put codes in Topps.com, received, and put in personal collection until sold last week. You see the scans.

 

[LazerShow15]

Just wondering if you have posted a scan of the Blue in question? I can't see photos from work computer.

That might help.

Dual scans of this card and entire lot sold to buyer are on this thread, I editted to add these scans.

 

[matfanofold]

Can someone who knows the members ID pm him with the link to this thread?

(if not done so already..)



BTW securedsports, love the sig!

 

[jbhofmann]

Just wondering if you have posted a scan of the Blue in question? I can't see photos from work computer.

That might help.

Dual scans of this card and entire lot sold to buyer are on this thread, I editted to add these scans.

Thanks

 

[EricInCT]

He must want to return the blue to get a new pair of glasses.

 

[cgilmo]

I spoke to the buyer, he is going to come in this thread when he gets off work with more information.


locking the thread until that time.

 

[JEA2880]

It is I, JEA2880, the alleged user who had "buyer's remorse" - or so say the uninformed masses who replied to this thread. Allow me to explain the situation and share my side of events, with images of the card in question, to vindicate myself and show that I am very justified in asking for a refund...



First of all, securedsports contends that I accused him of trimming the card. Right away, this statement is false. I pm'd him after receiving my Montero package the other day saying something to the effect of:

Brad,

I received today, but there was a problem - the card is definitely short left to right. Where did you get the card? Please advise.

John"


I completely give the seller the benefit of the doubt, thinking that perhaps he was on the short end (no pun intended) of a previous deal in which he was sold a trimmed card. Assuming he didn't want his name associated with trimming, I asked for some information and naturally assumed that if he found out he was dealing a smaller card, he'd be fine issuing a refund.



To my surprise, I receive an aggressively worded response, something like:

John, All 4 cards came directly from Topps, I can even confirm such with Topps. I can't believe you would accuse me of this, reneging on a deal is garbage. I don't have time to play games, obviously you are only in it for the money by any means necessary. I will call Topps today.

Very aggressive, emotional response that misinterprets my original message. Granted, if the card came from Topps I can understand his confusion, but nevertheless, the card is short left to right and would likely get rejected by a grading company and deemed altered. I think you would all agree that there is a presumption that when you buy a card, the item received will be the correct size.

Without even having a chance to respond (I work full-time 50+ hours per week and all of these messages started to roll in between 10 and 11 in the morning), I receive another message, something like:

There's a thread, definitely not trimmed. You saw a scan, everything was sent as received from Topps, I wouldn't even know how to trim a card. Man up and don't back out of the deal. Brad"

Again, a very aggressive, unprofessional, emotional response, and he hasn't even given me a chance to respond. I would also like to add that he never sent me scans of the cards but I never even asked for any, so this tangential point isn't even relevant - I'm not upset about getting a card that's off centered, I'm upset about getting a card that will forever be perceived to have been altered. Heck, I just submitted my first grading order in a decade through FCB's August submission and generally only deal with raw cards.



After this second pm over-reaction, I respond saying something to the effect of:

Brad,

You are jumping to conclusions - I never said you trimmed the card, only that it is clearly altered or not the correct size. Don't be associated with selling bad cards, make good on a refund as the card isn't as presumed to be, i.e. a full size card. Starting a thread about it probably won't look too good for you either.

Same points I have already made.



Anyway, I get the following responses making claims such as those below (3 in a row, all within minutes of each other... again, I'm at work and this has already become too great of a distraction):

#1- I sent scans, check your E-mails, there was a post with scans I assumed you saw. I see it's now removed but you accuse me of selling a TRIMMED card to you, if you think that, take it up with Topps yourself. Thank you.

Again, I never got scans but I didn't even want any. More stellar customer service.

#2- (He provides me with a date he allegedly E-mailed me scans, again, irrelevant) I don't have time to play games, mods have proof blah blah blah more of the same. It's a fair deal because the cards will all probably grade high anyway

Still hung up on the scans thing (as if they would be able to show that the card is small left to right on its own anyway), but again, immaterial. I have no record of anything in my inbox at or around the time indicated above - I suppose it's possible I deleted the message, because again, I never requested any scans.

#3 - It won't make me look bad, I'm never dealing with you again, I'm not being hostile but when I get accused of something or selling something that isn't true, I need to stand up...

Again, I still haven't made any accusations or indictments about his character. I have only said that the card is clearly short left to right.



It was at this point that Chris got involved and locked this thread until I was free to respond. With that being said, below are scans of two Montero Blue Refractor's. The one on the top shows the card in question while the one on the bottom shows an unaltered copy, one of two I recently purchased from Ken (Moxacaine), which should debunk any notion that I have "buyer's remorse". This one is off center, I might add, and yet I certainly didn't go complaining to Ken. No problem at all with that deal.

You be the judge:

Sorry for the long read, hopefully this clears up the questions and gives the seller a chance to make things right.

The defense rests.

 

[miguelcabrera]

you cant post pms

 

[cgilmo]

you cant post pms

hes removing them

 

[minors4me]

there's a difference between EOT and minimum size requirement, just saying

 

[A_Pharis]

Just looks like one is a little more bowed. I don't think it's trimmed. Could be any number of things to account for such a small amount of difference in a scan.

Trimming a chrome card would show a lot more evidence along the trimmed edge (chipping) unless the guy is well practiced.

 

[A_Pharis]

Oh, and if you don't like the blue - send all of the cards back. Get your full refund. Walk away.

 

[blanning71]

you cant post pms

Please troll, go back to your bridge.

 

[cgilmo]

I don't think its trimmed either, but still people need to treat other members better.


secured, where you were wrong here is that you instantly bowed up. You got aggressive really really quick. Next time, read and understand what is actually going on and not what you think is implied.

 

[miguelcabrera]

you cant post pms

Please troll, go back to your bridge.

i was just trying to help him out

 

[cgilmo]

Oh, and if you don't like the blue - send all of the cards back. Get your full refund. Walk away.

meh, ill take em


i love jesus long time

 

[Pine Tar]

Just to add my 2 cents. I have a couple of cards chrome I pulled from 2 blasters different blasters and of the same guy and one of them is not the same size as the other one I'll see if i can find them. I saw this when I stacked them in a pile and noticed it was very slightly smaller then the others. So all I'm saying is this can happen since they are printed a 2 different places for topps.

 

[blanning71]

Oh, and if you don't like the blue - send all of the cards back. Get your full refund. Walk away.

meh, ill take em


i love jesus long time

Yeah you love ding dongs too but, Chris, honestly, there's a point at which you just have to step away and say enough is enough!