ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RR (please read)

[seitas]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

This hobby is filled with men that act like children. I love this board for the collective information. But I find myself embarrassed for some of you when I read your pathetic posts.

 

[George_Calfas]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

Update from my end:
PSA/DNA passed the auto for a second time. While this autos does differ from his others I now feel safe selling the card; which I will do.

For those whom lack reading comprehension skills I will restate this: We all understood the risk/reward to this break. No one was complaining about the hits in AIC break; sure they were a kick in the junk but that happens with all manufactures. Complaints were based on the quality of the auto (addressed above) and one of the hits being a non-pack issued sticker auto. I am fine pulling a $75 card in the product based on product potential; I find a sticker on this card less than ideal. I stand behind my purchase of this product.

 

[phillyfan0417]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

RRR is a High Risk/High Reward type product, no different then a lottery ticket

But when you buy a lottery ticket, you know what the possible prizes are.

Would you buy the lottery ticket if you didnt know the prize?


Kind of why, if thats an issue, you shouldnt buy this product. Some trust BG and know he puts value in these products and they seem to handle bad breaks better. It's a lottery ticket except it has much better odds of paying off.

 

[hoopster3977]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

As being an avid basketball collector for years until the NBA decided to give a sole manufacturer "exclusive license", this so called "buyback Rookie auto card" is a total misrepresentation of the product.

Since when can someone buy a bunch of Durant Topps/Bowman Chrome rookie cards at card shows, then turn around and purchase un-used sticker autographs from a manufacturer that lost it's NBA license, put the stickers on the cards and call them "BuyBack" autographs.

This is on the same level as one EBayer that goes out and gets IP autos on cards he produces himself and calls them 1/1's. The cards that Leaf inserted in RRR is a total joke.

 

[RiceLynnEvans75]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

What is the other thread about this on the site? Just curious to read other (if it exists) info pertaining to this issue.

 

[Erich]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

Update from my end:
PSA/DNA passed the auto for a second time. While this autos does differ from his others I now feel safe selling the card; which I will do.

For those whom lack reading comprehension skills I will restate this: We all understood the risk/reward to this break. No one was complaining about the hits in AIC break; sure they were a kick in the junk but that happens with all manufactures. Complaints were based on the quality of the auto (addressed above) and one of the hits being a non-pack issued sticker auto. I am fine pulling a $75 card in the product based on product potential; I find a sticker on this card less than ideal. I stand behind my purchase of this product.

You gotta remember the majority of those complaining have not opened this product.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

Update from my end:
PSA/DNA passed the auto for a second time. While this autos does differ from his others I now feel safe selling the card; which I will do.

For those whom lack reading comprehension skills I will restate this: We all understood the risk/reward to this break. No one was complaining about the hits in AIC break; sure they were a kick in the junk but that happens with all manufactures. Complaints were based on the quality of the auto (addressed above) and one of the hits being a non-pack issued sticker auto. I am fine pulling a $75 card in the product based on product potential; I find a sticker on this card less than ideal. I stand behind my purchase of this product.

You gotta remember the majority of those complaining have not opened this product.

Is that a prerequisite to complain?

Ya'll aren't seeing the forest for the trees. This is a baseball card discussion board. There's no admission, there's no ticket one has to buy, and with the INternet -- hell, we can talk about anything and have an opinion on anything.

Again, this is a DISCUSSION board. What we do here, amongst other things, is DISCUSS new releases of baseball cards. Whether or not one buys the product is completely irrelevant. One has the right to discuss, rationally, and calmly, the product that is being put onto the market. It's wholly possible that discussion can turn someone who had no desire to buy into a buyer. Similarly, the reverse can happen. And both of those are good things. This board should foster debate and discussion, rather than squelch it because those who don't want to spend $230 on this product aren't allowed to discuss it.

Ya'll know my issue with this product from a month ago -- the watering down of the cards I've already bought by adding yet another unannounced parallel. I won't get into that.

Without discussion, criticism, and debate, many "good things" in the hobby, of which there are admittedly few, wouldn't happen. I'm sure Panini and Topps reps monitor this forum as well as Blowout's Forum. They're taking our ideas whether or not we know it. We all know that BRian Gray watches this board like a friggin' hawk. The things we want, our criticisms of products, are going into the next versions of the product.

Criticism and debate are good. Those with thin skin who need to turn every discussion litigious -- not so much.

 

[phillyfan0417]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

[quote="George_Calfas":j62popg6]Update from my end:
PSA/DNA passed the auto for a second time. While this autos does differ from his others I now feel safe selling the card; which I will do.

For those whom lack reading comprehension skills I will restate this: We all understood the risk/reward to this break. No one was complaining about the hits in AIC break; sure they were a kick in the junk but that happens with all manufactures. Complaints were based on the quality of the auto (addressed above) and one of the hits being a non-pack issued sticker auto. I am fine pulling a $75 card in the product based on product potential; I find a sticker on this card less than ideal. I stand behind my purchase of this product.

You gotta remember the majority of those complaining have not opened this product.

Is that a prerequisite to complain?

Ya'll aren't seeing the forest for the trees. This is a baseball card discussion board. There's no admission, there's no ticket one has to buy, and with the INternet -- hell, we can talk about anything and have an opinion on anything.

Again, this is a DISCUSSION board. What we do here, amongst other things, is DISCUSS new releases of baseball cards. Whether or not one buys the product is completely irrelevant. One has the right to discuss, rationally, and calmly, the product that is being put onto the market. It's wholly possible that discussion can turn someone who had no desire to buy into a buyer. Similarly, the reverse can happen. And both of those are good things. This board should foster debate and discussion, rather than squelch it because those who don't want to spend $230 on this product aren't allowed to discuss it.

Ya'll know my issue with this product from a month ago -- the watering down of the cards I've already bought by adding yet another unannounced parallel. I won't get into that.

Without discussion, criticism, and debate, many "good things" in the hobby, of which there are admittedly few, wouldn't happen. I'm sure Panini and Topps reps monitor this forum as well as Blowout's Forum. They're taking our ideas whether or not we know it. We all know that BRian Gray watches this board like a friggin' hawk. The things we want, our criticisms of products, are going into the next versions of the product.

Criticism and debate are good. Those with thin skin who need to turn every discussion litigious -- not so much.[/quote:j62popg6]


All good things. I believe the point was and has always been, there is a difference between those who debate and those who accuse.

You know that and if it was you and your reputation or business was being threatened, you'd go all litigious as well.

 

[Erich]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

[quote="George_Calfas":5ho87dhd]Update from my end:
PSA/DNA passed the auto for a second time. While this autos does differ from his others I now feel safe selling the card; which I will do.

For those whom lack reading comprehension skills I will restate this: We all understood the risk/reward to this break. No one was complaining about the hits in AIC break; sure they were a kick in the junk but that happens with all manufactures. Complaints were based on the quality of the auto (addressed above) and one of the hits being a non-pack issued sticker auto. I am fine pulling a $75 card in the product based on product potential; I find a sticker on this card less than ideal. I stand behind my purchase of this product.

You gotta remember the majority of those complaining have not opened this product.

Is that a prerequisite to complain?

Ya'll aren't seeing the forest for the trees. This is a baseball card discussion board. There's no admission, there's no ticket one has to buy, and with the INternet -- hell, we can talk about anything and have an opinion on anything.

Again, this is a DISCUSSION board. What we do here, amongst other things, is DISCUSS new releases of baseball cards. Whether or not one buys the product is completely irrelevant. One has the right to discuss, rationally, and calmly, the product that is being put onto the market. It's wholly possible that discussion can turn someone who had no desire to buy into a buyer. Similarly, the reverse can happen. And both of those are good things. This board should foster debate and discussion, rather than squelch it because those who don't want to spend $230 on this product aren't allowed to discuss it.

Ya'll know my issue with this product from a month ago -- the watering down of the cards I've already bought by adding yet another unannounced parallel. I won't get into that.

Without discussion, criticism, and debate, many "good things" in the hobby, of which there are admittedly few, wouldn't happen. I'm sure Panini and Topps reps monitor this forum as well as Blowout's Forum. They're taking our ideas whether or not we know it. We all know that BRian Gray watches this board like a friggin' hawk. The things we want, our criticisms of products, are going into the next versions of the product.

Criticism and debate are good. Those with thin skin who need to turn every discussion litigious -- not so much.[/quote:5ho87dhd]
Jeff, I am not going after you as you do bring up good points, although sometimes it is tiresome. There are those on this board who no matter what, go after BG and Leaf/Razor. I honestly believe that those people would have BG on the cross for not giving out $100.00 bills when he gave out $20.00 bills.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

[quote="George_Calfas":2ldi9k4q]Update from my end:
PSA/DNA passed the auto for a second time. While this autos does differ from his others I now feel safe selling the card; which I will do.

For those whom lack reading comprehension skills I will restate this: We all understood the risk/reward to this break. No one was complaining about the hits in AIC break; sure they were a kick in the junk but that happens with all manufactures. Complaints were based on the quality of the auto (addressed above) and one of the hits being a non-pack issued sticker auto. I am fine pulling a $75 card in the product based on product potential; I find a sticker on this card less than ideal. I stand behind my purchase of this product.

You gotta remember the majority of those complaining have not opened this product.

Is that a prerequisite to complain?

Ya'll aren't seeing the forest for the trees. This is a baseball card discussion board. There's no admission, there's no ticket one has to buy, and with the INternet -- hell, we can talk about anything and have an opinion on anything.

Again, this is a DISCUSSION board. What we do here, amongst other things, is DISCUSS new releases of baseball cards. Whether or not one buys the product is completely irrelevant. One has the right to discuss, rationally, and calmly, the product that is being put onto the market. It's wholly possible that discussion can turn someone who had no desire to buy into a buyer. Similarly, the reverse can happen. And both of those are good things. This board should foster debate and discussion, rather than squelch it because those who don't want to spend $230 on this product aren't allowed to discuss it.

Ya'll know my issue with this product from a month ago -- the watering down of the cards I've already bought by adding yet another unannounced parallel. I won't get into that.

Without discussion, criticism, and debate, many "good things" in the hobby, of which there are admittedly few, wouldn't happen. I'm sure Panini and Topps reps monitor this forum as well as Blowout's Forum. They're taking our ideas whether or not we know it. We all know that BRian Gray watches this board like a friggin' hawk. The things we want, our criticisms of products, are going into the next versions of the product.

Criticism and debate are good. Those with thin skin who need to turn every discussion litigious -- not so much.

All good things. I believe the point was and has always been, there is a difference between those who debate and those who accuse.

You know that and if it was you and your reputation or business was being threatened, you'd go all litigious as well.[/quote:2ldi9k4q]

I disagree, Tim. If there was a lawyer discussion board, and one of my clients got on there and talked about me... I would have to defend myself or hope that my other clients would jump to my defense. Either way, I would handle myself in a PROFESSIONAL manner, which is what many users here have not seen from the "OP".

While there are many similarities, there are many differences between what I do and what Brian does. My profession is not in question, yet you continue to bring it up in numerous topics, repeatedly. I am respectfully asking you to refrain from continuing discussion in that regard.

 

[phillyfan0417]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

[quote="Bob Loblaw":ue2u1syl]

[quote="George_Calfas":ue2u1syl]Update from my end:
PSA/DNA passed the auto for a second time. While this autos does differ from his others I now feel safe selling the card; which I will do.

For those whom lack reading comprehension skills I will restate this: We all understood the risk/reward to this break. No one was complaining about the hits in AIC break; sure they were a kick in the junk but that happens with all manufactures. Complaints were based on the quality of the auto (addressed above) and one of the hits being a non-pack issued sticker auto. I am fine pulling a $75 card in the product based on product potential; I find a sticker on this card less than ideal. I stand behind my purchase of this product.

You gotta remember the majority of those complaining have not opened this product.

Is that a prerequisite to complain?

Ya'll aren't seeing the forest for the trees. This is a baseball card discussion board. There's no admission, there's no ticket one has to buy, and with the INternet -- hell, we can talk about anything and have an opinion on anything.

Again, this is a DISCUSSION board. What we do here, amongst other things, is DISCUSS new releases of baseball cards. Whether or not one buys the product is completely irrelevant. One has the right to discuss, rationally, and calmly, the product that is being put onto the market. It's wholly possible that discussion can turn someone who had no desire to buy into a buyer. Similarly, the reverse can happen. And both of those are good things. This board should foster debate and discussion, rather than squelch it because those who don't want to spend $230 on this product aren't allowed to discuss it.

Ya'll know my issue with this product from a month ago -- the watering down of the cards I've already bought by adding yet another unannounced parallel. I won't get into that.

Without discussion, criticism, and debate, many "good things" in the hobby, of which there are admittedly few, wouldn't happen. I'm sure Panini and Topps reps monitor this forum as well as Blowout's Forum. They're taking our ideas whether or not we know it. We all know that BRian Gray watches this board like a friggin' hawk. The things we want, our criticisms of products, are going into the next versions of the product.

Criticism and debate are good. Those with thin skin who need to turn every discussion litigious -- not so much.

All good things. I believe the point was and has always been, there is a difference between those who debate and those who accuse.

You know that and if it was you and your reputation or business was being threatened, you'd go all litigious as well.[/quote:ue2u1syl]

I disagree, Tim. If there was a lawyer discussion board, and one of my clients got on there and talked about me... I would have to defend myself or hope that my other clients would jump to my defense. Either way, I would handle myself in a PROFESSIONAL manner, which is what many users here have not seen from the "OP".

While there are many similarities, there are many differences between what I do and what Brian does. My profession is not in question, yet you continue to bring it up in numerous topics, repeatedly. I am respectfully asking you to refrain from continuing discussion in that regard.[/quote:ue2u1syl]


So, lets say you're on a lawyers message board and someone there is accusing you of fraud, you would just be professional and hope that potential clients would know you're a good guy?

It's ok to admit it since you'd be foolish if you allowed it to happen. Either that or you're not debating whats being said could be fact.

 

[George_Calfas]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

Tim, the strength of the auto and the concerns which arose "should" have been pointed towards PSA/DNA. It happened to be a part of a Leaf product. As I mentioned numerous times; Leaf bought cards in graded holders and needed not concern themselves with further authenticity. Had the auto come back "questionable" I would have asked Leaf to get involved.

The sticker is a whole other issue (insert beat dead horse). I hope when BG calls we can discuss a solution to this sticker issue.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

[quote="Bob Loblaw":3svwy67f]

[quote="George_Calfas":3svwy67f]Update from my end:
PSA/DNA passed the auto for a second time. While this autos does differ from his others I now feel safe selling the card; which I will do.

For those whom lack reading comprehension skills I will restate this: We all understood the risk/reward to this break. No one was complaining about the hits in AIC break; sure they were a kick in the junk but that happens with all manufactures. Complaints were based on the quality of the auto (addressed above) and one of the hits being a non-pack issued sticker auto. I am fine pulling a $75 card in the product based on product potential; I find a sticker on this card less than ideal. I stand behind my purchase of this product.

You gotta remember the majority of those complaining have not opened this product.

Is that a prerequisite to complain?

Ya'll aren't seeing the forest for the trees. This is a baseball card discussion board. There's no admission, there's no ticket one has to buy, and with the INternet -- hell, we can talk about anything and have an opinion on anything.

Again, this is a DISCUSSION board. What we do here, amongst other things, is DISCUSS new releases of baseball cards. Whether or not one buys the product is completely irrelevant. One has the right to discuss, rationally, and calmly, the product that is being put onto the market. It's wholly possible that discussion can turn someone who had no desire to buy into a buyer. Similarly, the reverse can happen. And both of those are good things. This board should foster debate and discussion, rather than squelch it because those who don't want to spend $230 on this product aren't allowed to discuss it.

Ya'll know my issue with this product from a month ago -- the watering down of the cards I've already bought by adding yet another unannounced parallel. I won't get into that.

Without discussion, criticism, and debate, many "good things" in the hobby, of which there are admittedly few, wouldn't happen. I'm sure Panini and Topps reps monitor this forum as well as Blowout's Forum. They're taking our ideas whether or not we know it. We all know that BRian Gray watches this board like a friggin' hawk. The things we want, our criticisms of products, are going into the next versions of the product.

Criticism and debate are good. Those with thin skin who need to turn every discussion litigious -- not so much.

All good things. I believe the point was and has always been, there is a difference between those who debate and those who accuse.

You know that and if it was you and your reputation or business was being threatened, you'd go all litigious as well.

I disagree, Tim. If there was a lawyer discussion board, and one of my clients got on there and talked about me... I would have to defend myself or hope that my other clients would jump to my defense. Either way, I would handle myself in a PROFESSIONAL manner, which is what many users here have not seen from the "OP".

While there are many similarities, there are many differences between what I do and what Brian does. My profession is not in question, yet you continue to bring it up in numerous topics, repeatedly. I am respectfully asking you to refrain from continuing discussion in that regard.[/quote:3svwy67f]


So, lets say you're on a lawyers message board and someone there is accusing you of fraud, you would just be professional and hope that potential clients would know you're a good guy?

It's ok to admit it since you'd be foolish if you allowed it to happen. Either that or you're not debating whats being said could be fact.[/quote:3svwy67f]

If I'm being accused of fraud, I would defend myself. However, I would do it professionally and IF litigation was ripe, I would address it publically. That isn't what happened here. I don't think anyone accused BG of applying fake stickers. Just crappy judgment.

Further, as a baseball card company, Leaf is much more of a "public figure" than I am. Therefore, it is much more difficult to get a slander or libel case to pass a MSJ against a company like Leaf rather than a private individual.

 

[Moonlight Graham]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

For it to be a "buyback" (emphasis on the BACK).. wouldn't you have had to produce the card initially?

Technically, they're just "buys".

I do not have a dog in this fight.

This post brought a smile to my fat little face.

Technically, BG bought the FRONT and BACK...

 

[Ty Hope]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

My main issue with this is the damn sticker... PSA DNA sticker buybacks are something I haven't seen up until now and really hope never see again. On-card buybacks look amazing IMO. Stickers are just pathetic and lazy. I voiced my opinion to HOPEFULLY contribute to these abominations never being made again... I know they will though...

 

[goldenegg1]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

My main issue with this is the damn sticker... PSA DNA sticker buybacks are something I haven't seen up until now and really hope never see again. On-card buybacks look amazing IMO. Stickers are just pathetic and lazy. I voiced my opinion to HOPEFULLY contribute to these abominations never being made again... I know they will though...

This has been my only concern about this whole thing.
For something to be considered a buyback, in my opinion, it would have to be on card. Say I get Pujols at a signing and I have him sign a sheet of stickers, I can then put the stickers on 2001 Topps cards and have Pujols autographed rookies and label it a buyback? That is not right and I really hope this is not the future of cards, if it is, I am out.

 

[Super Mario]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

My main issue with this is the damn sticker... PSA DNA sticker buybacks are something I haven't seen up until now and really hope never see again. On-card buybacks look amazing IMO. Stickers are just pathetic and lazy. I voiced my opinion to HOPEFULLY contribute to these abominations never being made again... I know they will though...

I don't really think our opinions have ever mattered to certain people, because we get crappy products like sticker buybacks released, then ignorant excuses as to why.

 

[Leaf]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

A reminder that we are are talking about approximately 15-20 total cards here.
*****************
As a result of your feedback, we have removed Durant sticker auto buybacks from our upcoming "Best of Basketball" release.

We do listen and always want to hear your feedback.

We often include new elements in our products. Some are appreciated and some are not.

You have spoken. You have been heard.
BG

 

[Jastermereel]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

This is a rarity, but I think the stickers on the Durants was a good idea.

 

[Super Mario]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

A reminder that we are are talking about approximately 15-20 total cards here.
*****************
As a result of your feedback, we have removed Durant sticker auto buybacks from our upcoming "Best of Basketball" release.

We do listen and always want to hear your feedback.

We often include new elements in our products. Some are appreciated and some are not.

You have spoken. You have been heard.
BG

Come on man, can you not keep your word????

I will not reply to posts in this thread as we are no longer engaging in discussions on the message board.