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From Wikipedia. His page is by far my favorite

Belle was involved in several controversial incidents during his baseball career. In 1986, he went after a heckler in the stands who was shouting racist insults at him; he was suspended while his team played in the College World Series. In 1991, he threw a baseball into the stands, where it struck a fan who had taunted him by yelling, "Keg party at my house, Joey," a reference both to Belle's prior nickname and his stints in alcohol rehabilitation. He was suspended in 1994 for using a corked bat and received further disdain for sending teammate Jason Grimsley through the building's ceiling panel to break into the locked umpire dressing room to retrieve Belle's corked bat and substitute it with another teammate's bat. This resulted in a seven game suspension for Belle. He was fined in 1996 for knocking down Brewers infielder Fernando Viña, who had blocked his way on the basepaths. He also had unpleasant interactions with the public. He also chased down rowdy trick-or-treating vandals who were celebrating Halloween by throwing eggs at his home; Belle ended up hitting one of the vandals with his car.

Sports reporters resented Belle's refusal to grant interviews before a game. A profane outburst directed at a group of reporters in his team's dugout, including NBC Sports personality Hannah Storm, was widely reported during the 1995 World Series. Later, Belle was unrepentant: "The Indians wanted me to issue a statement of regret when the fine was announced, but I told them to take it out. I apologize for nothing."

Eventually, Belle routinely refused to speak with the media. "I don't get excited talking about myself", he explained. "Guys such as Sandy Koufax, Joe DiMaggio, and Steve Carlton did not interview, and it was no big deal. They were quiet. I am also quiet. I just want to concentrate on baseball. Why does everyone want to hear me talk, anyway?" Belle rarely even conducted interviews regarding his various charitable donations and scholarships that might have burnished his sour image.

But the media did not ignore Belle. ESPN's Buster Olney would write about Belle's outbursts while a Cleveland Indian:

It was a taken in baseball circles that Albert Belle was nuts... The Indians billed him $10,000 a year for the damage he caused in clubhouses on the road and at home, and tolerated his behavior only because he was an awesome slugger... He slurped coffee constantly and seemed to be on a perpetual caffeinated frenzy. Few escaped his wrath: on some days he would destroy the postgame buffet...launching plates into the shower... after one poor at-bat against Boston, he retreated to the visitor's clubhouse and took a bat to teammate Kenny Lofton's boombox. Belle preferred to have the clubhouse cold, below 60 degrees, and when one chilly teammate turned up the heat, Belle walked over, turned down the thermostat, and smashed it with his bat. His nickname, thereafter, was "Mr. Freeze."[3]
In 2001, following Belle's retirement, the New York Daily News' columnist Bill Madden wrote:

"Sorry, there'll be no words of sympathy here for Albert Belle. He was a surly jerk before he got hurt and now he's a hurt surly jerk....He was no credit to the game. Belle's boorish behavior should be remembered by every member of the Baseball Writers' Association when it comes time to consider him for the Hall of Fame."
Responding to this, The New York Times sportswriter Robert Lipsyte observed:

"Madden is basically saying, 'He was not nice to me, so let's screw him.' Sportswriters anoint heroes in basically the same way you have crushes in junior high school... you've got someone like Albert Belle, who is somehow basically ungrateful for this enormous opportunity to play this game. If he's going to appear to us as a surly a-hole, then we'll cover him that way. And then, of course, he's not gonna talk to us anymore—it's self-fulfilling."
When Belle did choose to communicate with fans, it was generally via unfiltered forums such as his website, or in columns for the Baltimore Sun and Baltimore Press.

In Belle's first year of Hall of Fame eligibility (2006), he garnered only 7.7% of the baseball writers' votes—missing election by an extremely wide margin.[4] But Belle's vote total was high enough to keep his name on the ballot for the following year. In 2007, however, Belle only garnered 19 votes (3.5%) and dropped off the ballot.

In February 2006, Belle was arrested on suspicion of stalking a woman who was identified in court as a former licensed escort.[5] He was again arrested in charges related to the same case on May 17, 2006.[6] On July 27, 2006, Belle plead guilty to one count of stalking and he was sentenced on August 24 to 90 days in jail and five years supervised probation.[7] Belle had attached a GPS tracking device onto her car and obtained her phone records. Belle issued an apology to the woman stating, "I have made mistakes in my life, but I have admitted my mistakes and learned from them to be a better person."[8]
 

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When comparing HOF standards, it's pointless to compare a hitters stats to a pitchers. Completely different criteria. It's also important to compare that player amongst his peers. So comparing Puckett to Belle is not accurate. Puckett was one of the best hitters in his era. Belle was not. But I will say that one can make a case for Belle cuz he did have a good career. But the 90's was a hitters decade with Bagwell, Bonds, Griffey, Big Hurt, Juan Gone, Big Mac, Belle, Palmeiro, Edgar Martinez, Big Cat, Walker. Not saying that all are hall worthy, but Belle's competition. Add the fact the corked bat incident didn't help him. So he was marginal for the HOF, then add all the controversy that he brought, made it easy for the writers to pass on him. He didn't have to be a saint on the field, just not a total arse. People didn't want to be associated with him nor have him represent the Hall. That is all on Albert, not the writers.
 

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I used to have a few Belle cards in my collection. :)

Loved the Vina incident too, awesome stuff.

Belle wasn't good enough for a long enough period of time to overcome his reputation, it's as simple as that. He would've needed to maintain a full 15+ year career with strong stats in most offensive categories to become a perennial HOF candidate and it didn't happen that way. It's the Hall Of Fame, not the Hall Of Could've Gotten Into The Hall If Not For A Career Ending Injury, otherwise you could put Herb Score, Tony Conigliaro, and JR Richard in there too.
 

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Belle is a much better player than 10% of the players in the Hall of Fame. This is why the Hall is a joke.
 

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brumbach said:
I used to have a few Belle cards in my collection. :)

Loved the Vina incident too, awesome stuff.

Belle wasn't good enough for a long enough period of time to overcome his reputation, it's as simple as that. He would've needed to maintain a full 15+ year career with strong stats in most offensive categories to become a perennial HOF candidate and it didn't happen that way. It's the Hall Of Fame, not the Hall Of Could've Gotten Into The Hall If Not For A Career Ending Injury, otherwise you could put Herb Score, Tony Conigliaro, and JR Richard in there too.
Don't forget Bo Jackson and Ron Santo!
 

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brumbach said:
I used to have a few Belle cards in my collection. :)

Loved the Vina incident too, awesome stuff.

Belle wasn't good enough for a long enough period of time to overcome his reputation, it's as simple as that. He would've needed to maintain a full 15+ year career with strong stats in most offensive categories to become a perennial HOF candidate and it didn't happen that way. It's the Hall Of Fame, not the Hall Of Could've Gotten Into The Hall If Not For A Career Ending Injury, otherwise you could put Herb Score, Tony Conigliaro, and JR Richard in there too.
The stats he has are good enough for the hall.
 

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ALL_THE_HYPE said:
elmalo said:
[quote="ALL_THE_HYPE":2svwuv41]He's not a Hall of Famer. He doesn't have the numbers. Doesn't really matter if his career was cut short or not.

You're well on your way to becoming a message board HOFer though... stringing together eight uninterrupted posts in the same thread is unprecedented.
Actually he does have the numbers.

Actually he's not even close.[/quote:2svwuv41]
Actually, he is, I just put up 5 other Hall of Famers stats and they are similar.
 

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notjomommasclint said:
elmalo said:
notjomommasclint said:
elmalo said:
notjomommasclint said:

oh i think belle was a force... he could certainly go deep! i dont think he ever reached the elite level for the length of time that is required for the hall. i also would have rather faced him than thomas, bonds, and griffey for the obp alone. gonzalez may be more of a fair comparison to belle as far as stats.
And those guys are all hall of famers, just because the writers dont like them doesnt mean they shouldnt be hall of famers. Koufax had 5 elite years and hes in so...[/quote:2cerng7z]

but you told me earlier that i couldnt find better players than belle... gonzalez is not a hall of famer nor should he be... just like albert.[/quote:2cerng7z]
Why shouldnt Gonzalez be in the Hall of fame?[/quote:2cerng7z]

because he was merely good...[/quote:2cerng7z]
Merely good? Take a look at his stats.
 

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nosterbor said:
notjomommasclint said:
uniquebaseballcards said:
notjomommasclint said:
elmalo said:

oh i think belle was a force... he could certainly go deep! i dont think he ever reached the elite level for the length of time that is required for the hall. i also would have rather faced him than thomas, bonds, and griffey for the obp alone. gonzalez may be more of a fair comparison to belle as far as stats.
you have to look at the games played and at bats .both those guys playing was cut short due to be injured as was Puckett
Juan was alot better than good. 2 MVP's
all time stats
slug-.560 18th
ab per hr-15.11 15th
and the most impressive stat!
RBI PER GAME AVG

1st Gerig 0.92
2nd Ruth 0.88
3rd Gonzalez 0.83

these stats are Better than Griffey, Thomas, Puckett
his OPS OF .904 is better that Griffey, Puckett. Juan also has 650 less at bats than Puckett and Juans numbers just totaly kills his except avg. none of you truly know how great he was.[/quote:1gxwu1y3]
I agree with you, the guy was great and he should go in as well.
 

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