And Twins! (The Twins talk and pick-up thread).

[Musial Collector]

@Buster_ESPN
Sources:Twins are having trade talks with the Indians, presumably about Jim Thome and/or Jason Kubel. Both were claimed by a team Wednesday.

I would venture to say one of them will be traded, but not both. If you think about the expectations for this team coming into this season it's really kind of sad to see where we are now..

I say Thome is a for sure, not going to be back next year, may retire??, so get something for him.

As for Kubel, unless they get a quality prospect, they will pull him back and let him go FA and get a draft pick in return.

 

[TGutta]

@Buster_ESPN
Sources:Twins are having trade talks with the Indians, presumably about Jim Thome and/or Jason Kubel. Both were claimed by a team Wednesday.

I would venture to say one of them will be traded, but not both. If you think about the expectations for this team coming into this season it's really kind of sad to see where we are now..

I say Thome is a for sure, not going to be back next year, may retire??, so get something for him.

As for Kubel, unless they get a quality prospect, they will pull him back and let him go FA and get a draft pick in return.

Latest now that the White Sox claimed Kubel and a deal is unlikely. They want a good prospect for him because he is now almost a Type A Free Agent, which would be very big for the Twins. Indians claimed Thome so we will see what happens with that. I'm sure he wouldn't mind being able to retire with the team he began with, but he isn't going to win with them this year. The division is the Tigers.

 

[Guest]

@Buster_ESPN
Sources:Twins are having trade talks with the Indians, presumably about Jim Thome and/or Jason Kubel. Both were claimed by a team Wednesday.

I would venture to say one of them will be traded, but not both. If you think about the expectations for this team coming into this season it's really kind of sad to see where we are now..

I'm just looking forward to the season being done and they can start over again with a 0-0 record. Hopefully next season they don't suck it up at the first few months

 

[Guest]

Cuddyer is in the lineup for today's noon game

But you sounded like quite the expert last night.
Cuddy is a rock, not some ***** like Morneau and Span!!!

[quote="Musial Collector":19yxgsou]

Looks like Cuddyer may be done for the year

Really???

"The twins announced that initial X-rays were negative and Cuddyer will have more tests on Thursday."

Sure looked like from his reaction it'd be something broken taking a fastball off of your wrist. It'd be surprising if it's only bruised and he'll back in a few days. If it does put him out for the season, probably helps his chances of coming back next season, won't get traded and a little cheaper salary coming off a broken wrist/arm

Unless he'll just get a nasty bruise, seems quite difficult to not be broken

[/quote:19yxgsou]
Even the announcers today are saying the thought for sure he was done. Just from his reaction it looked like it would be worse

 

[Musial Collector]

@Buster_ESPN
Sources:Twins are having trade talks with the Indians, presumably about Jim Thome and/or Jason Kubel. Both were claimed by a team Wednesday.

I would venture to say one of them will be traded, but not both. If you think about the expectations for this team coming into this season it's really kind of sad to see where we are now..

I say Thome is a for sure, not going to be back next year, may retire??, so get something for him.

As for Kubel, unless they get a quality prospect, they will pull him back and let him go FA and get a draft pick in return.

Latest now that the White Sox claimed Kubel and a deal is unlikely. They want a good prospect for him because he is now almost a Type A Free Agent, which would be very big for the Twins. Indians claimed Thome so we will see what happens with that. I'm sure he wouldn't mind being able to retire with the team he began with, but he isn't going to win with them this year. The division is the Tigers.

Yeah, just say the post on MBLRumors:
THURSDAY: The Indians were awarded the claim on Thome, while the White Sox were awarded the claim on Kubel, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports. Thome has a full-no trade clause and would prefer to play for the Phillies, according to Rosenthal. It's unlikely that the Twins will move Kubel, Rosenthal reports. The sides have discussed a possible extension.

 

[Guest]

If Kubel leaves as a FA, would we get one of the compensations picks after the first round is done then?

 

[TGutta]

If Kubel leaves as a FA, would we get one of the compensations picks after the first round is done then?

That is correct. And if he is a Type A then if another team signs him that had one of the Top 15 records we would get their 1st Round Pick as well.

 

[Guest]

If Kubel leaves as a FA, would we get one of the compensations picks after the first round is done then?

That is correct. And if he is a Type A then if another team signs him that had one of the Top 15 records we would get their 1st Round Pick as well.

Didn't know of that portion as well, I thought we just got a 30-50ish range pick. Not sure if we would get a better package than those picks for him then

 

[TGutta]

If Kubel leaves as a FA, would we get one of the compensations picks after the first round is done then?

That is correct. And if he is a Type A then if another team signs him that had one of the Top 15 records we would get their 1st Round Pick as well.

Didn't know of that portion as well, I thought we just got a 30-50ish range pick. Not sure if we would get a better package than those picks for him then

That is if he's a Type A. If he's a type B then we would only get a compensation pick. If he's a Type A and a team with one of the worst 15 records signs him, then I believe we get 2 compensation picks instead of 1 and the teams 1st.

 

[Guest]

Twins have been striking out way too often this series

 

[Guest]

Maybe Cuddyer or another position player will get a shot to pitch? Already to the bullpen after 2 innings from Liriano

 

[Guest]

Already onto the 3rd pitcher in the 4th inning. Great job starting staff of helping the bullpen!

 

[Greg Cleveland]

Is there anybody on our starting pitching worth keeping anymore? I was all for trading Liriano before the year started, and while the no-hitter was nice, he's still a dissappointment. Baker and Blackburn are hurt or ineffective. I had hopes for Deunsing, but he's caught the inconsistant bug from those guys, too. Pavano? Getting older, and when he gets no run support, he gets whacked. I'm all for wiping the slate clean and startin over for starting pitching. It's been out Achillies Heel for years. Gibson is in the wings--but hurt, so why rush him now? Is Rick Anderson the problem? He and Gardy go way back to playing on the Mets in the 80's so the ties run deep there. Gardy won't can him. Fire/release everybody, and start over? Expansion draft?

Okay, that's enough. Got it off my chest.

 

[TGutta]

Is there anybody on our starting pitching worth keeping anymore? I was all for trading Liriano before the year started, and while the no-hitter was nice, he's still a dissappointment. Baker and Blackburn are hurt or ineffective. I had hopes for Deunsing, but he's caught the inconsistant bug from those guys, too. Pavano? Getting older, and when he gets no run support, he gets whacked. I'm all for wiping the slate clean and startin over for starting pitching. It's been out Achillies Heel for years. Gibson is in the wings--but hurt, so why rush him now? Is Rick Anderson the problem? He and Gardy go way back to playing on the Mets in the 80's so the ties run deep there. Gardy won't can him. Fire/release everybody, and start over? Expansion draft?

Okay, that's enough. Got it off my chest.

I like Liriano but he like all of the others is WAY too inconsistent. Just looking at last year when he had GREAT numbers and we thought we would get that from him year in-year out and now we get this? Honestly I think the only one worth keeping around would be Baker. If he can stay healthy he could still be a good #3 starter. Move Duensing back to the bullpen where he was effective and get rid of the rest. Pavano is done, Blackburn is the most inconsistent starter I think I have ever seen. Give Swarzak a chance in ST.

 

[wolfmanalfredo]

Is there anybody on our starting pitching worth keeping anymore? I was all for trading Liriano before the year started, and while the no-hitter was nice, he's still a dissappointment. Baker and Blackburn are hurt or ineffective. I had hopes for Deunsing, but he's caught the inconsistant bug from those guys, too. Pavano? Getting older, and when he gets no run support, he gets whacked. I'm all for wiping the slate clean and startin over for starting pitching. It's been out Achillies Heel for years. Gibson is in the wings--but hurt, so why rush him now? Is Rick Anderson the problem? He and Gardy go way back to playing on the Mets in the 80's so the ties run deep there. Gardy won't can him. Fire/release everybody, and start over? Expansion draft?

Okay, that's enough. Got it off my chest.

I like Liriano but he like all of the others is WAY too inconsistent. Just looking at last year when he had GREAT numbers and we thought we would get that from him year in-year out and now we get this? Honestly I think the only one worth keeping around would be Baker. If he can stay healthy he could still be a good #3 starter. Move Duensing back to the bullpen where he was effective and get rid of the rest. Pavano is done, Blackburn is the most inconsistent starter I think I have ever seen. Give Swarzak a chance in ST.

I'll double check the stats from last year, but if I recall his numbers were far from GREAT. He had a pretty good season, but not GREAT

 

[TGutta]

Is there anybody on our starting pitching worth keeping anymore? I was all for trading Liriano before the year started, and while the no-hitter was nice, he's still a dissappointment. Baker and Blackburn are hurt or ineffective. I had hopes for Deunsing, but he's caught the inconsistant bug from those guys, too. Pavano? Getting older, and when he gets no run support, he gets whacked. I'm all for wiping the slate clean and startin over for starting pitching. It's been out Achillies Heel for years. Gibson is in the wings--but hurt, so why rush him now? Is Rick Anderson the problem? He and Gardy go way back to playing on the Mets in the 80's so the ties run deep there. Gardy won't can him. Fire/release everybody, and start over? Expansion draft?

Okay, that's enough. Got it off my chest.

I like Liriano but he like all of the others is WAY too inconsistent. Just looking at last year when he had GREAT numbers and we thought we would get that from him year in-year out and now we get this? Honestly I think the only one worth keeping around would be Baker. If he can stay healthy he could still be a good #3 starter. Move Duensing back to the bullpen where he was effective and get rid of the rest. Pavano is done, Blackburn is the most inconsistent starter I think I have ever seen. Give Swarzak a chance in ST.

I'll double check the stats from last year, but if I recall his numbers were far from GREAT. He had a pretty good season, but not GREAT

If I remember right his ERA was much higher than his peripherals suggested. He actually had a very good season. Struck out more than 1 per inning and had only around 50 walks in 190 something innings (again off the top of my head).

 

[Guest]

How about just do what they are doing this series, each pitcher can do one time through the lineup and then you change pitchers. So every 3 days the pitchers throw 20-40 pitches, no real starters or relievers

 

[Guest]

What's Thome's new trend of striking out looking so much? Although that one was outside

 

[wolfmanalfredo]

Is there anybody on our starting pitching worth keeping anymore? I was all for trading Liriano before the year started, and while the no-hitter was nice, he's still a dissappointment. Baker and Blackburn are hurt or ineffective. I had hopes for Deunsing, but he's caught the inconsistant bug from those guys, too. Pavano? Getting older, and when he gets no run support, he gets whacked. I'm all for wiping the slate clean and startin over for starting pitching. It's been out Achillies Heel for years. Gibson is in the wings--but hurt, so why rush him now? Is Rick Anderson the problem? He and Gardy go way back to playing on the Mets in the 80's so the ties run deep there. Gardy won't can him. Fire/release everybody, and start over? Expansion draft?

Okay, that's enough. Got it off my chest.

I like Liriano but he like all of the others is WAY too inconsistent. Just looking at last year when he had GREAT numbers and we thought we would get that from him year in-year out and now we get this? Honestly I think the only one worth keeping around would be Baker. If he can stay healthy he could still be a good #3 starter. Move Duensing back to the bullpen where he was effective and get rid of the rest. Pavano is done, Blackburn is the most inconsistent starter I think I have ever seen. Give Swarzak a chance in ST.

I'll double check the stats from last year, but if I recall his numbers were far from GREAT. He had a pretty good season, but not GREAT

If I remember right his ERA was much higher than his peripherals suggested. He actually had a very good season. Struck out more than 1 per inning and had only around 50 walks in 190 something innings (again off the top of my head).

W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB Awards

14 10 .583 3.62 31 31 0 0 0 0 191.2 184 77 77 9 58 0 201 10 1 10 806 114 1.263 8.6 0.4 2.7 9.4 3.47 CYA-11


I couldn't watch him pitch last year because of the inconsistency. He'd either have a really good outing, or really bad outing. Nothing in between.

14-10, 3.62 ERA, 191.2IP, 58BB, 184H, 201K WHIP 1.263

Was a solid season, but I wouldn't consider that GREAT. I had no idea he was 11th in Cy Young voting

 

[wolfmanalfredo]

What's Thome's new trend of striking out looking so much? Although that one was outside

All of our players with only a few exceptions look like they're playing without the fire and heart they should be. Collect their paycheck, and hope for next year