Anyone involved in Birdfans85 PSA submission post here

[cgilmo]

I'm actually interested in who all it was that backed out of the submission since they're the original reason for the delay/missing the $5 sub.

they compounded the problem, and can't be held responsible for what has happened.


In case some of you are wondering, as long as Talmer ships the cards back to you in a reasonable time frame he won't be banned from this board.

These are extraordinary conditions, and although his lack of communication is baffling it isn't enough to deserve a ban.



He will be welcomed back here if he chooses to come, although I don't think he will be doing any PSA subs in the near future.

 

[A_Pharis]

Oh, you see - I was under the impression that the original delay came when the $5/card submission deadline was missed due to people backing out. Then the SECOND delay came when people who filled in also backed out. At that point, Talmer filled in with his own cards and covered the difference in /card fees.

 

[mredsox89]

At this point I'm just hoping we have our stuff in our hands by the end of February

 

[cgilmo]

Oh, you see - I was under the impression that the original delay came when the $5/card submission deadline was missed due to people backing out. Then the SECOND delay came when people who filled in also backed out. At that point, Talmer filled in with his own cards and covered the difference in /card fees.

that is accurate as far as I know


However the real issue here is communication.

 

[George_Calfas]

At this point I'm just hoping we have our stuff in our hands by the end of February

You should consider this timeline but by no means is this set in stone:
10 Feb grades complete
13-15 Feb card ship from PSA
20-22 Feb cards arrive at Talmers
25 Feb cards ship (he is a weekend shipper due to work)

 

[ThoseBackPages]

At this point I'm just hoping we have our stuff in our hands by the end of February

You should consider this timeline but by no means is this set in stone:
10 Feb grades complete
13-15 Feb card ship from PSA
20-22 Feb cards arrive at Talmers
25 Feb cards ship (he is a weekend shipper due to work)

and thats IF the sub pops on time.

 

[Adamlind2011]

I have been reading this thread from the very first post to the last and I just had this feeling everything would work out in the end. I'm pleased to hear that my feeling was correct and everyone will eventually be getting their cards back. I hope things go smoother in future group submissions. Great job for all those who worked to get some answers and resolution. Kudos

 

[ChasHawk]

Oh, you see - I was under the impression that the original delay came when the $5/card submission deadline was missed due to people backing out. Then the SECOND delay came when people who filled in also backed out. At that point, Talmer filled in with his own cards and covered the difference in /card fees.

Not coming on here to let everyone know what was going on is his biggest sin at this point.

But basically because of people backing out, Talmer is now screwed out of $200. That's BS to me.

 

[A_Pharis]

Oh.. no doubt he should have at least said something. But you have to look at this board for what it is - if it looks like someone is pulling something slightly shady, they get CRUCIFIED.
That's not saying that everyone should be like "Oh, it's ok," but at least consider this next bit:

There were multiple major delays caused by people other than Talmer. Apparently, that deserves no sort of vilification

Talmer had a MAJOR family emergency/rough spot that contributed to his absence (and perpetuated fears of something being afoul) - and the poor guy got ripped to absolute shreds.

I don't blame him for being so scared s***less that he didn't want to face the music - HE WAS ALREADY PRESUMED GUILTY!

Yeah, it all could have been avoided had he made an appearance, but this is the same guy that didn't call out specific people for causing deadlines to be missed. It's also the same guy that put out $200 of his own cash to make up for that. And, come to think of it, I do think a while back someone talked to him via e-mail or something, and he even explained his absence at the time. I also think that's when he originally explained missing the deadlines.

 

[shanks25]

I'm the biggest supperter of Talmer, no doubt. Read this thread and the one before it for proof. He proved himself to be a standup guy in his long tenure here....that's why I trusted him with close to $1000 of my cards.

Things went awry and that is his fault for lack of communication. Plain and simple.

He got crucified here, that is plain to see. By many folks. And I'd say justifiably so based on his actions.

I have reserved judgement.

However, I find it amusing that, now that it looks like things are going to be OK, the Talmer supporters are coming out of the woodwork. Where were all of you went things weren't looking so rosy? It must be nice to sit and judge from afar when you have nothing at stake....

 

[ChasHawk]

I'm the biggest supperter of Talmer, no doubt. Read this thread and the one before it for proof. He proved himself to be a standup guy in his long tenure here....that's why I trusted him with close to $1000 of my cards.

Things went awry and that is his fault for lack of communication. Plain and simple.

He got crucified here, that is plain to see. By many folks. And I'd say justifiably so based on his actions.

I have reserved judgement.

However, I find it amusing that, now that it looks like things are going to be OK, the Talmer supporters are coming out of the woodwork. Where were all of you went things weren't looking so rosy? It must be nice to sit and judge from afar when you have nothing at stake....

We said it was BS that he ahdn't communicated as well.

Here's my question. Where are the people who backed out and F'd this whole sub in the ass to begin with?

 

[mredsox89]

He had multiple options that would have made everyone involved 100% fine with what was happening.

1. If people delayed causing him to miss the special and cost him $, he could have sent them all back to us
2. If ppl delayed, he could have emailed or PM or posted asking us if we would be ok with waiting
3. When things went south, he could have posted or communicated in any way possible

The issue is that he did none of the above, and instead chose the route of completely ignoring multiple attempts to contact him, through every channel possible.

I said from day 1 when we started getting concerned, that if he had just posted a "sorry, things got delayed" PM I would have been 100% fine. If he had answered an email I sent him with something similar, I would have been fine. If he answered an ebay message with that, I would have been fine.

But to do none of the above, I'm sorry, but getting "crucified" by people on the board isn't anything out of the box. Things got screwed up that weren't his fault, but he also chose the only option that would result in people pissed off and worried about their stuff.

 

[shanks25]

I'm the biggest supperter of Talmer, no doubt. Read this thread and the one before it for proof. He proved himself to be a standup guy in his long tenure here....that's why I trusted him with close to $1000 of my cards.

Things went awry and that is his fault for lack of communication. Plain and simple.

He got crucified here, that is plain to see. By many folks. And I'd say justifiably so based on his actions.

I have reserved judgement.

However, I find it amusing that, now that it looks like things are going to be OK, the Talmer supporters are coming out of the woodwork. Where were all of you went things weren't looking so rosy? It must be nice to sit and judge from afar when you have nothing at stake....

We said it was BS that he ahdn't communicated as well.

Here's my question. Where are the people who backed out and F'd this whole sub in the ass to begin with?

That is an excellent point, Chas.

I think the feet of those people who committed and then backed out should be held to the fire.....

 

[All In Cards]

I'm the biggest supperter of Talmer, no doubt. Read this thread and the one before it for proof. He proved himself to be a standup guy in his long tenure here....that's why I trusted him with close to $1000 of my cards.

Things went awry and that is his fault for lack of communication. Plain and simple.

He got crucified here, that is plain to see. By many folks. And I'd say justifiably so based on his actions.

I have reserved judgement.

However, I find it amusing that, now that it looks like things are going to be OK, the Talmer supporters are coming out of the woodwork. Where were all of you went things weren't looking so rosy? It must be nice to sit and judge from afar when you have nothing at stake....

We said it was BS that he ahdn't communicated as well.

Here's my question. Where are the people who backed out and F'd this whole sub in the ass to begin with?

That is an excellent point, Chas.

I think the feet of those people who committed and then backed out should be held to the fire.....

Its really everyone's fault but most of the blame still has to go to Talmer. Sure people backed out or sent late.

If there would have been open communication from the beginning of the sub there would not have been any problems.

Had Talmer come online and said people backed out and asked if anyone else would like to join that might have solved some of the problem.

Still it went over a month with 0 communication. That is just wrong and not how you do business.

 

[A_Pharis]

In reality, how far is it even behind schedule? As I believe George said, isn't it on a 45 business day turnaround? That's 9 weeks. Considering the delays (which I do believe were communicated by a third party earlier on), it's not like it's that far behind.

 

[A_Pharis]

Looks like it was originally around mid October? Yeah, it was sent in a little short of 2 months behind... that's pretty big, but I wouldn't call it "unacceptable" given a combination of problems getting cards in to send and having to shell it out himself.

 

[All In Cards]

Looks like it was originally around mid October? Yeah, it was sent in a little short of 2 months behind... that's pretty big, but I wouldn't call it "unacceptable" given a combination of problems getting cards in to send and having to shell it out himself.

What is "unacceptable" is the communication. Like I said, had Talmer said people backed out and he would be sending in late or even asked if anyone else would like to get in as spots opened up, would have helped here in a huge way.

 

[A_Pharis]

[quote="A_Pharis":7v1mwjnu]Looks like it was originally around mid October? Yeah, it was sent in a little short of 2 months behind... that's pretty big, but I wouldn't call it "unacceptable" given a combination of problems getting cards in to send and having to shell it out himself.

What is "unacceptable" is the communication. Like I said, had Talmer said people backed out and he would be sending in late or even asked if anyone else would like to get in as spots opened up, would have helped here in a huge way.[/quote:7v1mwjnu]


I really want to say someone communicated with him pretty early on, and that was covered.

 

[TNP777]

I really want to say someone communicated with him pretty early on, and that was covered.

not well enough, it appears. I've seen nothing but good things from Talmer before this. This all could have been avoided with better communication. Guys pulled out, so perhaps Talmer could/should have communicated that he needed more people to help the submission.

I'm glad this is apparently going to work out.

 

[nyc3]

I really want to say someone communicated with him pretty early on, and that was covered.

And choosing to post on facebook about football shows he had 30 seconds to inform the people who left several messages. Saying he paid out of pocket really means nothing since it was obviously his choice since he felt it was best not to involve the people who sent him their stuff in any way what so ever, as you can clearly see by this topic right here we are posting in.