As great as Jeter is playing, does he have any shot at Rose?

[jetsrule4]

Jeter is a far better better athlete then Rose. Rose had more charisma. But as far as stats are concerned, Rose is on another planet, one that few others join him on. So forget all these dWAR stats and others, those are for scouts. As a fan and teammate, it is the end product that is significant. And Captain Clutch gets it done. Again and again.

 

[elmalo]

Jeter is a far better better athlete then Rose. Rose had more charisma. But as far as stats are concerned, Rose is on another planet, one that few others join him on. So forget all these dWAR stats and others, those are for scouts. As a fan and teammate, it is the end product that is significant. And Captain Clutch gets it done. Again and again.

Roses stats arent really on another planet compared to Jeter. Jeter is a better all around hitter/player.

 

[Titans74]

Roses stats arent really on another planet compared to Jeter. Jeter is a better all around hitter/player.

Lmao.

I have $2500 right now, quote it, that Jeter does not pass Rose for all time hits leader. Open to any and all takers.


And while the talk of Jeter being the better athlete and the better defensive player is on the table.

Rose - 24 seasons - 3,437 games started @ 5 different positions = 213 total errors.

Jeter - 18 seasons - 2,416 games started @ 1 position = 233 total errors and counting.


To date, Rose played 6 more seasons, had over 1,000 more games started and still has fewer errors while playing 5 different positions. Better athlete? I'll take Rose. Better defensively? I'll take Rose.

Neither were Brooks Robinson/Ozzie Smith type defensive players but to say Jeter is better than Rose athletically and defensively is just retarded. Stats don't lie. And while Jeter is a consistantly good hitter he would need a minimum of 6 more seasons at 180 hits per to catch Rose. Not going to happen. Jeter will be lucky to pass Musial.

Just to further my case I pulled up Ozzie Smith's and Brooks fielding stats. Brooks had 264 errors over 23 seasons and Smith had 281 over 19 seasons. Both were known as defensive beasts. Rose had more seasons played, more games started and still had fewer errors than both. Goes to show how underrated Rose was as a defensive player.

 

[elmalo]

Lmao.



I have $2500 right now, quote it, that Jeter does not pass Rose for all time hits leader.

You may be right. He might not pass Rose.

 

[nbailey]

To say Rose is better than Jeter athletically and defensively is just retarded.

 

[scotty216brs]

Lmao.

I have $2500 right now, quote it, that Jeter does not pass Rose for all time hits leader. Open to any and all takers.


And while the talk of Jeter being the better athlete and the better defensive player is on the table.

Rose - 24 seasons - 3,437 games started @ 5 different positions = 213 total errors.

Jeter - 18 seasons - 2,416 games started @ 1 position = 233 total errors and counting.


To date, Rose played 6 more seasons, had over 1,000 more games started and still has fewer errors while playing 5 different positions. Better athlete? I'll take Rose. Better defensively? I'll take Rose.

Neither were Brooks Robinson/Ozzie Smith type defensive players but to say Jeter is better than Rose athletically and defensively is just retarded. Stats don't lie. And while Jeter is a consistantly good hitter he would need a minimum of 6 more seasons at 180 hits per to catch Rose. Not going to happen. Jeter will be lucky to pass Musial.

Just to further my case I pulled up Ozzie Smith's and Brooks fielding stats. Brooks had 264 errors over 23 seasons and Smith had 281 over 19 seasons. Both were known as defensive beasts. Rose had more seasons played, more games started and still had fewer errors than both. Goes to show how underrated Rose was as a defensive player.

LOL I didn't realize Pete Rose played SS....::facepalm::

The majority of Pete Rose's career he played OF and 1B (2,000+ games)....the easiest positions to play defensively. Jeter has played SS his whole career IMO is the toughest position to play. Not exactly fair to compare them defensively as you are.

 

[George_Calfas]

Very tough to compare defensive stats; Rose committed 1 error per every 10 games at 3B and Brooks 1 error per ever 11 games. Rose's total errors were decreased due the positions played. The left side of the infield is statistically more difficult to field.

With that said it is amazing that he could play 5 positions at the ML level.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

Rose was a switch hitter, it gave him a great advantage especially later in his career.

I'm not sure what you mean by this quote. Would he have had many more hits just hitting from his natural side, or did he cheaply add hits to his total because he was smart enough to work from both sides of the plate?

Yes as you said he could work both sides of the plate; plus switch-hitters will get more ABs

 

[elmalo]

Lmao.

I have $2500 right now, quote it, that Jeter does not pass Rose for all time hits leader. Open to any and all takers.


And while the talk of Jeter being the better athlete and the better defensive player is on the table.

Rose - 24 seasons - 3,437 games started @ 5 different positions = 213 total errors.

Jeter - 18 seasons - 2,416 games started @ 1 position = 233 total errors and counting.


To date, Rose played 6 more seasons, had over 1,000 more games started and still has fewer errors while playing 5 different positions. Better athlete? I'll take Rose. Better defensively? I'll take Rose.

Neither were Brooks Robinson/Ozzie Smith type defensive players but to say Jeter is better than Rose athletically and defensively is just retarded. Stats don't lie. And while Jeter is a consistantly good hitter he would need a minimum of 6 more seasons at 180 hits per to catch Rose. Not going to happen. Jeter will be lucky to pass Musial.

Just to further my case I pulled up Ozzie Smith's and Brooks fielding stats. Brooks had 264 errors over 23 seasons and Smith had 281 over 19 seasons. Both were known as defensive beasts. Rose had more seasons played, more games started and still had fewer errors than both. Goes to show how underrated Rose was as a defensive player.

Are you really going to compare errors from 2 shortstops and a third baseman to errors from a guy who played the majority of his career playing lf, rf and first base? Rose made the bulk of his errors playing in the infield. Rose played 3 infield positions, 2b, 3b and 1b, almost half of those games at first base. 2201 games playing the infield with 189 errors. Smith played 2511 at SS with 281 . B Rob played 2870 with 263 and Jeter 2426 with 233 errors. All of them played more demanding positions for their entire careers. Not to mention the fact that Smith Robinson and Jeter would get charged with errors on balls that Pete Rose wouldnt even get to.

 

[muskiesfan]

LOL I didn't realize Pete Rose played SS....::facepalm::

The majority of Pete Rose's career he played OF and 1B (2,000+ games)....the easiest positions to play defensively. Jeter has played SS his whole career IMO is the toughest position to play. Not exactly fair to compare them defensively as you are.

Yes, Jeter has always played SS. Let's not pretend that he plays it that well. At best, Jeter is an average defensive SS.

 

[elmalo]

Yes, Jeter has always played SS. Let's not pretend that he plays it that well. At best, Jeter is an average defensive SS.

But that is just flat out false. He does play it well. At best he has flashes of brilliance. He aint the greatest defensive ss, however he isnt nearly as bad as people say he is. And he is certainly a better defensive player than Pete Rose ever was.

 

[jbhofmann]

But that is just flat out false. He does play it well. At best he has flashes of brilliance. He aint the greatest defensive ss, however he isnt nearly as bad as people say he is. And he is certainly a better defensive player than Pete Rose ever was.

See when people denounce metrics the only thing left is a biased opinion.

 

[elmalo]

See when people denounce metrics the only thing left is a biased opinion.

Metrics arent reliable for defence. I dont denounce metrics, however, they arent the be all and end all. And for defence they ar rubbish.