BA PROSPECT HOT SHEET - 4/16

[DaveH]

[quote="ALL_THE_HYPE":2fqa8aq4]

I just lost some respect for Baseball America.

People who try to say that unearned runs are the pitchers fault don't know baseball whatsoever.

Not so fast. Unearned runs can come in any number of ways and can tell you things about a pitcher. I think it was Prospectus that did an interesting study a couple of years ago showing that pitchers who gave up a large number of UER one year suffered from highers ERAs the next.

Take these two scenarios for example:

1- Bases loaded, two out. Fly ball. Dropped. 3 runs score. All unearned. Next batter retired.

2- Nobody on, two out. Fly ball. Dropped. Runner reaches second. Next five batters reach base. Three runs score. All unearned.

You can't tell me both scenarios are the same. The pitcher in scenario 2 fared much worse yet still comes out unscathed.

yep. this is because ERA is an outdated metric... still valuable, but not completely "indicative of how good a pitcher is at doing his job" as All the Hype is suggesting

I did not say that ERA is completely indicative of how good a pitcher is...but I will stand by the ERA statistic as the best stat available (that the average baseball fan easily recognizes) to show how well a pitcher keeps the other team from scoring runs.

What stat is better?[/quote:2fqa8aq4]

as braden already posted. FIP is better... its not perfect, but its better.

 

[ballerskrip]

BACK ON TOPIC,

carlos santana rules!!!

I LOVED Reading this:

Matt (St. Charles, IL): Carlos Santana appears to be a absolute beast. How do you compare his offensive ceiling to Buster Posey? Is in the same ballpark as Jesus Montero? What do you consider his ceiling to be? thanks for taking my question!

Ben Badler: Posey's skill set is similar to Santana's. They're both going to be all-star catchers with high OBPs and solid defense, but Santana should hit for more power. I know in the past I've said I'd give the slight edge to Posey, but right now Santana's slightly ahead of Posey. Ask me again in a month and I might change my mind. Whatever, doesn't really matter--those guys are both going to be stars and neither of them should take long to adjust to big league pitching. Montero's three years younger and has the highest offensive ceiling, but if Santana turns into the best of the three from a purely offensive standpoint, I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[cgilmo]

BACK ON TOPIC,

carlos santana rules!!!

I LOVED Reading this:

Matt (St. Charles, IL): Carlos Santana appears to be a absolute beast. How do you compare his offensive ceiling to Buster Posey? Is in the same ballpark as Jesus Montero? What do you consider his ceiling to be? thanks for taking my question!

Ben Badler: Posey's skill set is similar to Santana's. They're both going to be all-star catchers with high OBPs and solid defense, but Santana should hit for more power. I know in the past I've said I'd give the slight edge to Posey, but right now Santana's slightly ahead of Posey. Ask me again in a month and I might change my mind. Whatever, doesn't really matter--those guys are both going to be stars and neither of them should take long to adjust to big league pitching. Montero's three years younger and has the highest offensive ceiling, but if Santana turns into the best of the three from a purely offensive standpoint, I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[ballerskrip]

BACK ON TOPIC,

carlos santana rules!!!

This Carlos Santana does also!

 

[DaveH]

lol... 'back on topic' for one post.

 

[mrangrydonut]

Hey, I just noticed I'm going to see #2 (Carlos Santana) and #6 (Aroldis Chapman) in about 3 hours. I knew Chapman was pitching, but I didn't realize Santana played for the Clippers. Awesome!

 

[ballerskrip]

Hey, I just noticed I'm going to see #2 (Carlos Santana) and #6 (Aroldis Chapman) in about 3 hours. I knew Chapman was pitching, but I didn't realize Santana played for the Clippers. Awesome!

That should be one heck of a showdown! I am jealous.

skrip

 

[mwashuc06]

Glad I got a Santana signed ball last year in Binghamton.

 

[All The Hype]

What stat is better?

Can we merge this with your soon to be created "Is ERA an accurate measure for pitching performance" thread?

Brad Mills' change up is goooood.

The posts have all been baseball conversation stemming from a very relevant topic. Not sure what you're trying to get at, but no matter what it is, there's need to be a troll, little fella.

 

[rico08]

[quote="ALL_THE_HYPE":1f2bzcb6]

What stat is better?

Can we merge this with your soon to be created "Is ERA an accurate measure for pitching performance" thread?

Brad Mills' change up is goooood.

The posts have all been baseball conversation stemming from a very relevant topic. Not sure what you're trying to get at, but no matter what it is, there's need to be a troll, little fella.[/quote:1f2bzcb6]

Troll and little fella in one post? Two overreactions in one topic?

I was trying to help get the thread back on topic which skrip did right after. Yeesh.

 

[CISCOKID23]

WELL NOW...IM REALLY PISSED :evil: THAT I DIDNT GET MY BLUE MIKE MONTGOMERY AUTO FROM EBAY :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

 

[Topnotchsy]

WELL NOW...IM REALLY PISSED :evil: THAT I DIDNT GET MY BLUE MIKE MONTGOMERY AUTO FROM EBAY :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Ouch. I actually dealt for a pair of his Chrome Printing Plates the day he threw the near perfect game, though thankfully there's nothing that indicates the seller won't go through with the transaction. (No clue on what they should be worth anyways, so I don't know that they'll sell for far more now.)

 

[ozzie's translator]

Loved the write up on Santana, looking forward to when he has a birthday like that in the majors!