Bagwell outed for roids?

[Super Mario]

[quote="David T.":1o9tagco][quote="Sam Banks":1o9tagco]1, I don't care if he used steroids.

2, I have suspected him of it for years. Biggio too.

Disclaimer: I am a huge Craig Biggio fan and have been for years.
With that said what makes you suspect Biggio?
Is it guilt by association (Camanitti/Bagwell?) or are there other reasons?
He hit 26 home runs in 2005, the most in 20 seasons. He wasn't exactly known for his power.
Most seasons Biggio was easily one of the smallest players on the Astros Roster.
I'm always shocked when I hear people suspect him.
David

I think with all of the wear and tear on his body from switching positions so many times through the years he would have taken them at some point just to maintain health and to be able to play through injuries and such.

You don't have to be big to have taken roids, or a power hitter. Aaron Boone took them, and you wouldn't have been able to tell.[/quote:1o9tagco]


So with this theory, basically everyone who lasted any significant amount of time in baseball is guilty of using roid's (due to the wear & tear of the game & being able to maintain thier health & to be able to play the game)??? Isn't Yadier a catcher?... A whole lotta "wear & tear" goes into catching. :? :lol:[/quote:1o9tagco]


I think Cal Ripken Jr was a user at times as well. And I'll always believe that. I don't care. I just think he did. I don't care if every player in MLB was or is on steroids. It's never been a worry of mine.

 

[ChasHawk]

Sam - Are you just trying to pick fights now? :lol:

 

[Super Mario]

Sam - Are you just trying to pick fights now? :lol:

No, not at all.

I've said for years I think that Cal juiced. I don't care, I just believe he did.

 

[ChasHawk]

Sam - Are you just trying to pick fights now? :lol:

No, not at all.

I've said for years I think that Cal juiced. I don't care, I just believe he did.

Then you're just dumb? :lol:

 

[Super Mario]

Sam - Are you just trying to pick fights now? :lol:

No, not at all.

I've said for years I think that Cal juiced. I don't care, I just believe he did.

Then you're just dumb? :lol:

He'll get nailed one day trust me. Just wait. It'll happen. He'll piss off the wrong person, and they'll dig.

 

[Wes]

[quote="Sam Banks":2ujxdval][quote="David T.":2ujxdval][quote="Sam Banks":2ujxdval]1, I don't care if he used steroids.

2, I have suspected him of it for years. Biggio too.

Disclaimer: I am a huge Craig Biggio fan and have been for years.
With that said what makes you suspect Biggio?
Is it guilt by association (Camanitti/Bagwell?) or are there other reasons?
He hit 26 home runs in 2005, the most in 20 seasons. He wasn't exactly known for his power.
Most seasons Biggio was easily one of the smallest players on the Astros Roster.
I'm always shocked when I hear people suspect him.
David

I think with all of the wear and tear on his body from switching positions so many times through the years he would have taken them at some point just to maintain health and to be able to play through injuries and such.

You don't have to be big to have taken roids, or a power hitter. Aaron Boone took them, and you wouldn't have been able to tell.[/quote:2ujxdval]


So with this theory, basically everyone who lasted any significant amount of time in baseball is guilty of using roid's (due to the wear & tear of the game & being able to maintain thier health & to be able to play the game)??? Isn't Yadier a catcher?... A whole lotta "wear & tear" goes into catching. :? :lol:[/quote:2ujxdval]


I think Cal Ripken Jr was a user at times as well. And I'll always believe that. I don't care. I just think he did. I don't care if every player in MLB was or is on steroids. It's never been a worry of mine.[/quote:2ujxdval]

Too weird I was just about to mention him.

 

[Mr.Whipple]

[quote="Sam Banks":1hjnnf12]

Sam - Are you just trying to pick fights now? :lol:

No, not at all.

I've said for years I think that Cal juiced. I don't care, I just believe he did.

Then you're just dumb? :lol:

He'll get nailed one day trust me. Just wait. It'll happen. He'll piss off the wrong person, and they'll dig.[/quote:1hjnnf12]

I also think Ripken used PED's but not steroids. His numbers really dont know that much of a spike but in 96. Conseco does say, A player in the HOF used steroids. Most people say its either Ripken or Murray,I would say Murray myself.

 

[jacobbocce72]

If you think Biggio took roids than you might as well mark down every single MLB player from that era as having taken roids as well...

 

[sportscardtheory]

Juan Pierre takes steroids. It's a fact because I said it.

 

[pigskincardboard]

Well, Alex Sanchez was one of the first guys busted under the new policy...He hit what? 2 dingers in a year?

I wish we could get over this, PEDs = Power increase, thing.

Ripken doesn't worry me as much as most of the other guys, unless it was very, very late. He would come down with a ligament/tendon issue at some point if he juiced for 10 years.

 

[minpin]

Well, Alex Sanchez was one of the first guys busted under the new policy...He hit what? 2 dingers in a year?

I wish we could get over this, PEDs = Power increase, thing.

Ripken doesn't worry me as much as most of the other guys, unless it was very, very late. He would come down with a ligament/tendon issue at some point if he juiced for 10 years.

I couldn't agree more. It still takes a special talent to connect with a 95+ mph fastball steroids or not.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Well, Alex Sanchez was one of the first guys busted under the new policy...He hit what? 2 dingers in a year?

I wish we could get over this, PEDs = Power increase, thing.

Ripken doesn't worry me as much as most of the other guys, unless it was very, very late. He would come down with a ligament/tendon issue at some point if he juiced for 10 years.

So you think Barry Bonds would have hit 73 HRs in 2001 even if he wasn't juicing? Even after averaging 32 HRs per season from 1986 to 1998. Man are you naive. It's one thing to not care about PEDs in baseball, it's another to blatantly deny reality.

 

[trevordchi]

[quote="Sam Banks":8368hqax]1, I don't care if he used steroids.

2, I have suspected him of it for years. Biggio too.

Disclaimer: I am a huge Craig Biggio fan and have been for years.
With that said what makes you suspect Biggio?
Is it guilt by association (Camanitti/Bagwell?) or are there other reasons?
He hit 26 home runs in 2005, the most in 20 seasons. He wasn't exactly known for his power.
Most seasons Biggio was easily one of the smallest players on the Astros Roster.
I'm always shocked when I hear people suspect him.
David[/quote:8368hqax]

I am as big of an Astros fan as anyone but I have no doubt in my mind Biggio was on the juice. Moreso than Bagwell. There was a time period when Biggio's biceps FILLED his baseball jersey. You don't fill a baseball jersey unless you have some ridiculous guns. The fact that Bagwell tore down at 35 and had to quit is more reason to suspect he was clean. Many of these roid guys had their best HR years at the end of their careers. Biggio had the most HR in his career at the ages of 38 and 39. It is going to break my heart when bagwell doesn't make the HOF b/c he is SUSPECTED of juicing and Biggio will get in no problem. Bagwell was the best player on the team for over a decade and one of the best in the league. Biggio was never anywhere near the best on the team and he will only get in because he was able to play into his 40s....

 

[predatorkj]

Here is the story so everyone can be the judge on this matter.
http://blogs.chron.com/sportsmedia/2010 ... ry_lu.html

Thanks Champ, that really clears it up (this thread at least).

Predator... ::facepalm:: & I'll raise you a :lol: for good measure! Come on guy, you catch the arse end of a radio talk show & make a thread acting as if Bagwell has been outed? I'm not sure if you were out of things to post about but this was a bit of a reach (this thread revolves around a viewer's "write-in" letter to the athlete's & it in NO way out's Bag's or ANY of those mentioned in it...It was a fan blowing thier load & frustration's about thier "opinion" on McGwire's steroid apology & Gumbel, in his need to sound as if he's passing on "New's", spout's off about the letter at the end of his show).

So to answer your thread title... NO, Bagwell was not outed for roids.

My point was...Gumble was supposedly speaking about it. I had been listening to the program for a while and then they shifted to this topic. Now if he doesn't have any info on it...then I have no idea why he would say something like this. Its one thing for me or you to say something but its another to go on television and either say something or portray that you know something like that. Whole different ballgame.

Now...it is my firm belief that Bagwell did in fact take steroids and I don't think anything has been said thus far on it. Its almost like Houston flies under the radar on that aspect. Sure they have the guy in Pasadena that was supposedly supplying them to Andy's father and that is how Andy got the steroids he took. My point is...it sure is awful quiet around here. If Bagwell had played in New York there would have already been some prime debate on whether he took them or not. But around here...its as quiet as the grave.

I have been asked before why I believe Bagwell took roids and I really feel that he took them because of the increase in size he had. Its not that he had one huge monster year I look to. He had a career full of them. But if he was taking roids...it might have gotten him there. I just get tired of people looking at something and blatantly trying to rationalize something that is as clear as day away like its nothing or its natural. Sadly there are a lot of astros fans willing to do just that. Maybe our media too.