Based on #'s alone would Miggy still be the MVP

[rum151man]

my question is if you looked at his #'s alone without knowing he won the triple crown compared to Trouts #'s, Defense, & speed did he really have a better year than Trout ?????

I understand that the triple crown hasnt been done in 40 years but I still think trout had a better all around year and deserved the MVP

my only negative on trout would be his team didnt make the playoofs while Miggy went on a tear to get the Tigers in the playoffs......

 

[alwayson22]

Cabrera = .330 avg (#1 AL) / .396 obp (#4 AL) / .606 slg (#1 AL) = .999 OPS (#1 AL)
Trout = .326 avg (#2 AL) / .399 obp (#3 AL) / .564 slg (#3 AL) = .963 OPS (#2 AL)

You don't need WAR to argue that Trout had a better year. OBP measures the ability to get on base and SLG measures the ability to hit for power. I'm not using any "advanced metrics" above to show that Trout was the second best batter in the AL. Cabrera was slightly better in the batter's box, and Trout was far superior on the basepaths and in the field. Again, MVP voting is subjective.

 

[gt5717b]

I'm no baseball expert, but if you let me draft a team from scratch, I'd take Trout over Cabrera with the first pick. There is nothing substantially different between their offensive numbers. There is a substantial difference in their defensive and base-running abilities, where Trout has the distinct advantage.

 

[wolfmanalfredo]

He stole a ton of bases, but how did they compare with runs scored? Stealing bases is great, but scoring is really the one thing that matters. If there is no discernable difference in runs scored, then you could potentially take the baserunning out of the equation or call it a push. Cabrera isn't a better then average 3rd baseman, but he's not on the bottom either. Trout is a great outfielder and sports media pushed it even further. We are all entitled to our own arguments, and I feel that even without the triple crown, it was Miggy's award in 2012.

 

[matfanofold]

Who knows, possibly? Possibly not....

Fortunatly the most valuable player award actually takes thing in to context like how valuable they actually were (for there respective team & situation) in conjunction with statistical structure.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

Had the Angels made the Playoffs, it would have been a better discussion, but at the end of the day...postseason carries tremendous weight.

 

[gt5717b]

Again, I don't follow baseball nearly as closely as most on here, but wouldn't stealing bases be a better stat for an individual than runs scored? It seems like base running is more player specific while scoring runs is more teammate dependent. For instance, I could steal 100 bases a year and put myself in great scoring position, but if the batters that come up after me can't hit the ball, I may never score a run.

 

[wolfmanalfredo]

Again, I don't follow baseball nearly as closely as most on here, but wouldn't stealing bases be a better stat for an individual than runs scored? It seems like base running is more player specific while scoring runs is more teammate dependent. For instance, I could steal 100 bases a year and put myself in great scoring position, but if the batters that come up after me can't hit the ball, I may never score a run.

both were in great lineups, so you could argue that they would have scored anyway. it's simply a hard category to take into consideration because there are so many different variables. you would have to go back and figure out how many runs scored Cabrera would have had if he stole bases and how many runs scored trout had by stealing those bases and by taking those steals away. Then compare the 2 numbers and find some kind of a percentage that can equate how valuable a stolen base is individually, with the lineup around you, and with the game situation. I personally feel that until we can figure that out it's not really a variable that can be used in the discussion. what we do know though is they both got on base a lot and they both scored a lot of runs.

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[rum151man]

I just feel for example- that if hamilton had 1 more HR than Miggy and he didnt win the triple crown but still had the same exact stats that= MIKE TROUT is your MVP. so I guess the question should the triple crown carry that much weight in MVP voting??? huess the answer is yes.
didnt 2 people hit for the triple crown and not win the MVP?

 

[wolfmanalfredo]

close to half didn't. Ted Williams won the Triple Crown twice and didn't win MVP either time

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[RiceLynnEvans75]

Fortunatly the most valuable player award actually takes thing in to context like how valuable they actually were (for there respective team & situation) in conjunction with statistical structure.

Agreed.

 

[notjomommasclint]

Miggy 56 more RBI
32 points higher risp
Miggy struck out less
Switched from first to third
Put up those numbers while playing in a national park. Literally it's the size of Yellowstone.

 

[scotty216brs]

Had the Angels made the Playoffs, it would have been a better discussion, but at the end of the day...postseason carries tremendous weight.

I firmly believe that Trout would have won if the Angels made the playoffs.

 

[joeya2001]

I firmly believe that Trout would have won if the Angels made the playoffs.

Looks like we will never know...

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[sportscardtheory]

I just feel for example- that if hamilton had 1 more HR than Miggy and he didnt win the triple crown but still had the same exact stats that= MIKE TROUT is your MVP. so I guess the question should the triple crown carry that much weight in MVP voting??? huess the answer is yes.
didnt 2 people hit for the triple crown and not win the MVP?

Many would argue that Williams deserved those 2 MVP Awards.

 

[All The Hype]

Miggy 56 more RBI
32 points higher risp
Miggy struck out less
Switched from first to third
Put up those numbers while playing in a national park. Literally it's the size of Yellowstone.

Also noteworthy-
Tigers went to the playoffs
Cabrera was one of the most clutch hitters in baseball (as he is every year). Not sure where to find this, but I'd bet he was in the top 5 in baseball for game-tying/go-ahead HR and RBI in the 8th inning on.

 

[ThoseBackPages]

Yes.

 

[nborton]

Everyone talks so much about Cabrera's poor D. Yet it wasn't poor. He was third in fielding percentage with the most games played of anyone there. People love to bring up the new fielding metrics that predict what you should have gotten to, however, there's no good way of knowing what the situation was like in every game.

Using the statistic where we actually know they touched the ball, he was third best. With the most games played on top of it.

 

[DaClyde]

He stole a ton of bases, but how did they compare with runs scored? Stealing bases is great, but scoring is really the one thing that matters. If there is no discernable difference in runs scored, then you could potentially take the baserunning out of the equation or call it a push. Cabrera isn't a better then average 3rd baseman, but he's not on the bottom either. Trout is a great outfielder and sports media pushed it even further. We are all entitled to our own arguments, and I feel that even without the triple crown, it was Miggy's award in 2012.

There was a substantial difference in runs scored. Trout scored 20 MORE runs in 20 FEWER games than Cabrera.

 

[thefatguy]

I thought base stealing was a no-no in the sabrmetric world.