Big things going down in the world of baseball products

[Penno]

UD owns Razor-->Razor owns FCB----> UD OWNS FCB??

I KNEW IT!!!!

cgilmo = Richard McWilliams

This changes everything. When do I need to sign my cards for the upcoming tGSWBL set or are you just gonna mail me stickers?

 

[Pinbreaker]

UD owns Razor-->Razor owns FCB----> UD OWNS FCB??

I KNEW IT!!!!

cgilmo = Richard McWilliams

Well, in that case fix your "Bleepity Bleep Bleep" Customer Service at UD and I'll buy some products..

Oh wait nevermind I already do...

::facepalm::

 

[cgilmo]

Am I the only one that doesn't care if UD financed Razor? The Razor contracts are still binding. The product still exists and could continue to exist. Why does it matter who financed it?


I do think it's fair to point out that Jeff Novell got roasted for this allegation and if it turns out he was right, there should be a line of people apologizing.

That dosen't change that it was a conspiracy theory at the time.

 

[Jaypers]

I just got off the phone with Brian.


He issued two points to me.


1. No deal with a player has been compromised, his contracts are valid.

2. Razor is not selling licensing contracts for any of their exclusives.

He didn't happen to mention if Razor will continue to pursue exclusive contracts with the class of 2009, did he?

 

[hofmichael]

I just got off the phone with Brian.


He issued two points to me.


1. No deal with a player has been compromised, his contracts are valid.

2. Razor is not selling licensing contracts for any of their exclusives.

So you still bite on every word this guy says?You told us all we were full **** when we said Upper Deck backed Razor because Brian said it wasn't true.Now it looks like it s very true.I don't think Brian can spin this one.A damn shame to because,Razor, if done right could have been a good thing for the hobby.I for one didn't trust him then and don't trust him now.

His Ebay distribution method is no different than when UD would print tons of extra Griffey Rookies and sell them hand to hand.

 

[miguelcabrera]

wait, does UD own fcb?

 

[miguelcabrera]

These guys who are backing razor are simply doing it to protect their asses. They can say "I like what their doing" all they want, but they are just trying to protect their investments. People are going to lose money on this and these guys are trying (albeit unsucessfully) to protect them somewhat.

 

[Dpanthers14]

first we have A-Fraud and now we have BG-Fraud. whats next ::facepalm::

 

[cgilmo]

first we have A-Fraud and now we have BG-Fraud. whats next ::facepalm::

example of fraud please?


perhaps you need a dictionary

 

[cgilmo]

I just got off the phone with Brian.


He issued two points to me.


1. No deal with a player has been compromised, his contracts are valid.

2. Razor is not selling licensing contracts for any of their exclusives.

So you still bite on every word this guy says?You told us all we were full shat when we said Upper Deck backed Razor because Brian said it wasn't true.Now it looks like it s very true.I don't think Brian can spin this one.A damn shame to because,Razor, if done right could have been a good thing for the hobby.I for one didn't trust him then and don't trust him now.

His Ebay distribution method is no different than when UD would print tons of extra Griffey Rookies and sell them hand to hand.

hahahahah


no, that is way off.


in the ebay distribution method there are a set number of cards available.

 

[mredsox89]

I just got off the phone with Brian.


He issued two points to me.


1. No deal with a player has been compromised, his contracts are valid.

2. Razor is not selling licensing contracts for any of their exclusives.

So you still bite on every word this guy says?You told us all we were full shat when we said Upper Deck backed Razor because Brian said it wasn't true.Now it looks like it s very true.I don't think Brian can spin this one.A damn shame to because,Razor, if done right could have been a good thing for the hobby.I for one didn't trust him then and don't trust him now.

His Ebay distribution method is no different than when UD would print tons of extra Griffey Rookies and sell them hand to hand.

hahahahah


no, that is way off.


in the ebay distribution method there are a set number of cards available.

There are a set number available and they were not available any other way.

 

[Crash Davis]

Here's something for everyone to consider.

If Razor is financed by UD, then why did their USA product suddenly go high-end? Seems as though that would be counterproductive to Razor's agenda.

And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

According to the letter we all read, which was apparently sent by someone high-up at the MLBPA, stated that the owner and CEO of Upper Deck, Richard McWilliams (or McWilliam...whichever) ADMITTED to financing Razor and having defacto control over the company.

 

[Dpanthers14]

first we have A-Fraud and now we have BG-Fraud. whats next ::facepalm::

example of fraud please?


perhaps you need a dictionary

Well by him being fraud as a person not what he did. How many times did he denies that he had no ties with UD? I respect honest people not liers you don't come on a message board and fill it full of lies and expect people to still buy your product.

 

[ryanhoward06]

These guys who are backing razor are simply doing it to protect their asses. They can say "I like what their doing" all they want, but they are just trying to protect their investments. People are going to lose money on this and these guys are trying (albeit unsucessfully) to protect them somewhat.

You forget to change your user ID?

 

[ru4scuba]

wait, does UD own fcb?

If you stare at the new FCB logo long enough it will transform into a UD.

 

[hofmichael]

I just got off the phone with Brian.


He issued two points to me.


1. No deal with a player has been compromised, his contracts are valid.

2. Razor is not selling licensing contracts for any of their exclusives.

So you still bite on every word this guy says?You told us all we were full shat when we said Upper Deck backed Razor because Brian said it wasn't true.Now it looks like it s very true.I don't think Brian can spin this one.A damn shame to because,Razor, if done right could have been a good thing for the hobby.I for one didn't trust him then and don't trust him now.

His Ebay distribution method is no different than when UD would print tons of extra Griffey Rookies and sell them hand to hand.

hahahahah


no, that is way off.


in the ebay distribution method there are a set number of cards available.

Sure there are.The base were not numbered.They were also supposed to be destroyed after the initial offering but they are going to the Pit.

 

[mredsox89]

I just got off the phone with Brian.


He issued two points to me.


1. No deal with a player has been compromised, his contracts are valid.

2. Razor is not selling licensing contracts for any of their exclusives.

So you still bite on every word this guy says?You told us all we were full shat when we said Upper Deck backed Razor because Brian said it wasn't true.Now it looks like it s very true.I don't think Brian can spin this one.A damn shame to because,Razor, if done right could have been a good thing for the hobby.I for one didn't trust him then and don't trust him now.

His Ebay distribution method is no different than when UD would print tons of extra Griffey Rookies and sell them hand to hand.

hahahahah


no, that is way off.


in the ebay distribution method there are a set number of cards available.

Sure there are.The base were not numbered.They were also supposed to be destroyed after the initial offering but they are going to the Pit.

Not at all. Thepit bought a specific number of them when they were available on ebay for the price everyone else paid. What were not sold will be destroyed.

Edit: Could some not be destroyed, of course. Could Razor have given more to thepit than the specific quantity they purchased during the 30 day period, of course.

And I have no financial interest aside from my player collection so i don't really care financially what happens to razor products. I want them to succeed but im losing confidence

 

[Jaypers]

Here's something for everyone to consider.

If Razor is financed by UD, then why did their USA product suddenly go high-end? Seems as though that would be counterproductive to Razor's agenda.

And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

According to the letter we all read, which was apparently sent by someone high-up at the MLBPA, stated that the owner and CEO of Upper Deck, Richard McWilliams (or McWilliam...whichever) ADMITTED to financing Razor and having defacto control over the company.

Wow. I had no idea that's what it said.

When you're ready to come down off your condescending high horse, this "little guy" would appreciate it.

I wish I could say I was shocked that you posted in this thread.

 

[flightposite]

the story is out there


I decided not to print it because the letter is very misleading



wax heaven decided to print it.


http://completist.wordpress.com/2009/05 ... eck-razor/

Why do you consider the letter to be "very misleading?"

Thanks

If defacto control exists, then the people at UD aren't very smart.

They muddied up future razor products with their USA set. If you control something, you don't compete with it.


Plus, I am sure that the financial ties were to edgeman, and not razor. Read, the information is out there.

You seem sort of split here.

To me, it's easy, if the memo is true... which, why wouldn't it be... UD ran Razor as they had de facto control.

I think worrying about the financing is immaterial. As either the memo is false and none of this is true or it is and UD is running the show.

There was smoke, then there was fire, now it's just ablaze and people still refuse to believe anything is going on. Wow.

 

[All The Hype]

the story is out there


I decided not to print it because the letter is very misleading



wax heaven decided to print it.


http://completist.wordpress.com/2009/05 ... eck-razor/

Why do you consider the letter to be "very misleading?"

Thanks

If defacto control exists, then the people at UD aren't very smart.

They muddied up future razor products with their USA set. If you control something, you don't compete with it.


Plus, I am sure that the financial ties were to edgeman, and not razor. Read, the information is out there.

Perhaps the main purpose was not to make a nice prospect product, but rather, to send a blow to Topps products, namely Bowman Draft.