Congrats to Ron Santo Golden Era Committee HOF selection !!

[PujolsCollector]

Re: Ron Santo is finally a Hall of Famer!!!

Next up Rodger Maris???

 

[sportscardtheory]

I'm not trying to be a dick, or a homer Cardinals fan here, but.........

I'm sorry, but Ron Santo doesn't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. If you have to wait this long to get in, you don't deserve it. NOBODY DOES. In my mind, you're either first ballot worthy, or you AREN'T WORTHY! It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Really Good Players. Their should just be the cream of the crop voted in. Not sympathy votes. Whitey Herzog didn't deserve it either. If you have to wait that long to get in, there's a reason for it, you're not worthy.

I know the Veterans Committee voted him in, but I call BS.

Complete and utter BS.

Santo was robbed immediately. He fell off the ballot after only one year. That means he had only one real freaking chance. He wasn't sitting there for 15 years worth of votes getting passed over year after year. His was a travesty of a situation if there ever was one involved with the baseball HOF. The guy was one of the best overall third basemen to EVER play the game. A true HOFer on BOTH sides of the ball. You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[nosterbor]

I'm not trying to be a dick, or a homer Cardinals fan here, but.........

I'm sorry, but Ron Santo doesn't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. If you have to wait this long to get in, you don't deserve it. NOBODY DOES. In my mind, you're either first ballot worthy, or you AREN'T WORTHY! It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Really Good Players. Their should just be the cream of the crop voted in. Not sympathy votes. Whitey Herzog didn't deserve it either. If you have to wait that long to get in, there's a reason for it, you're not worthy.

I know the Veterans Committee voted him in, but I call BS.

Guess he should have done some back flips

 

[bcubs]

Santo deserves it and it is overdue. Of the current HOF third basemen he ranks as follows: AVG 8th, OBP 6th (tied), SLG 4th, HR 3rd, RBI 5th, Runs 7th.

 

[goldenegg1]

Santo deserves it and it is overdue. Of the current HOF third basemen he ranks as follows: AVG 8th, OBP 6th (tied), SLG 4th, HR 3rd, RBI 5th, Runs 7th.

No doubt he deserves to be in.
It is a great day to be a Cubs fan!

 

[sportscardtheory]

I have yet to see anyone make a good argument for why he shouldn't be a HOFer. It's always the cliche and vague "He's no Hall of Famer." without any reasons as to why he isn't. I'd love to see someone try.

 

[Pine Tar]

Congrats to Ron

Now who was on the 1980 ticket, the year Ron on got 3.8% of the vote?
Sorry at work and don't really want to look it up.

EDIT I looked it uop so you girls don't have to.

So lookie here is the reason he only got 3 percent of the votes in 1980 He was going against Al Kaline Duke Snider
Don Dsydale, Gil Hodges no wonder he only got 15 votes

†Al Kaline 340 88.3
Duke Snider 333 86.5
Don Drysdale 238 61.8
Gil Hodges 230 59.7
Hoyt Wilhelm 209 54.3
Jim Bunning 177 46.0
Red Schoendienst 164 42.6
Nellie Fox 161 41.8
Maury Wills 146 37.9
Richie Ashburn 134 34.8
Luis Aparicio 124 32.2
Roger Maris 111 28.8
Mickey Vernon 96 24.9
Harvey Kuenn 83 21.6
Lew Burdette 66 17.1
Don Newcombe 59 15.3
Ted Kluszewski 50 13.0
†Orlando Cepeda 48 12.5
Alvin Dark 43 11.2
Bill Mazeroski 33 8.6
Don Larsen 31 8.1
Elston Howard 29 7.5
Roy Face 21 5.5
†Ron Santo* 15 3.9
†Norm Cash* 6 1.6
†Matty Alou* 5 1.3
†Felipe Alou* 3 0.8
†Mel Stottlemyre, Sr.* 3 0.8
†Steve Blass* 2 0.5
†Jim Hickman* 1 0.3
†Sonny Jackson* 1 0.3
†Don McMahon* 1 0.3
†Jack Aker* 0 0.0
†Steve Barber* 0 0.0
†Bob Barton* 0 0.0
†John Boccabella* 0 0.0
†Larry Brown* 0 0.0
†Chris Cannizarro* 0 0.0
†Paul Casanova* 0 0.0
†Horace Clarke* 0 0.0
†Johnny Edwards* 0 0.0
†Phil Gagliano* 0 0.0
†Jim Gosger* 0 0.0
†Jim Ray Hart* 0 0.0
†Ron Hunt* 0 0.0
†John Kennedy* 0 0.0
†Andy Kosco* 0 0.0
†Lew Krausse Jr.* 0 0.0
†Frank Linzy* 0 0.0
†Denis Menke* 0 0.0
†Bob Miller* 0 0.0
†Norm Miller* 0 0.0
†Ivan Murrell* 0 0.0
†Juan Pizarro* 0 0.0
†Rick Reichardt* 0 0.0
†Pete Richert* 0 0.0
†Mike Ryan* 0 0.0
†Paul Schaal* 0 0.0
†Dick Selma* 0 0.0
†Duke Sims* 0 0.0
†Bob Veale* 0 0.0

 

[sportscardtheory]

For anyone interested.

Ron Santo, out of 3rd Basemen in MLB history With at Least 2,000+ Games

Homeruns - 7th
Slugging% - 7th
Overall WAR - 8th
OPS - 8th
Walks - 9th
Average - 10th
OBP - 10th
RBIs - 10th
Hits - 11th
Games Played - 12th
Defensive WAR - 14th
Runs - 14th

9 All-Star Games (in only 15 seasons)
5 Gold Glove Awards
2 Time top-5 MVP voting
Gray Ink 147 (Likely HOFer=144)

 

[RITM]

Such a wonderful person. Too bad for us that he isn't here with us. Would've loved to see his face.

Congratulations Ron.

 

[David Campos]

Not sure about the new Golden Era Committee but I think more people would be up in arms if Jim Kaat made the Hall of Fame. Kaat received 10 votes and was only two votes from getting in via the Golden Era Committee.

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It is sad that they elected Santo in posthumously. I am glad I had him sign a ball for me in spring training about 5 years ago.

 

[morgoth]

I just knew that as soon as he made the HOF some nitwit would post about how it is watering the HOF down, blah blah blah.

The sports writers got it wrong plain and simple, they are human they make mistakes. Nobody used advanced metrics to rank players then like they do now. He obviously NOW looks like a HOF player.

You are right that his previous vote totals "tainted" his HOF campaigns but he ALWAYS was a HOF player it just took enough people using the right statistical measures to outweigh the retards who say stuff like "he didn't look like a HOF player or I never paid money to see Santo play"

 

[Mozzie22]

I'm not trying to be a dick, or a homer Cardinals fan here, but.........

I'm sorry, but Ron Santo doesn't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. If you have to wait this long to get in, you don't deserve it. NOBODY DOES. In my mind, you're either first ballot worthy, or you AREN'T WORTHY! It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Really Good Players. Their should just be the cream of the crop voted in. Not sympathy votes. Whitey Herzog didn't deserve it either. If you have to wait that long to get in, there's a reason for it, you're not worthy.

I know the Veterans Committee voted him in, but I call BS.

so your saying Joe DiMaggio doesn't belong in the HOF?

Just because Joe D didn't make it in on the first ballot doesn't mean he wasn't first ballot worthy. Politics at play. Santo for me is an interesting case. I think he is worthy to be in the HOF but I also think Ken Boyer deserves to go in if Santo made it. I feel Santo actually hurt his own chances all those years by actively cheering his own HOF credentials. Now, get Trammell, Simmons, and Jack Morris in there!

 

[ChasHawk]

Re: Congrats to Ron Santo Golden Era Committee HOF selection

They should be embarrassed.

It was a given, everyone knew he would get elected, to do it after he passed is a travesty.

The same could be said for not electing Buck O'Neill as a contributor.

This.


And before Ron ever said a word about the HOF, the writers had it out for him...while he played and after.

 

[fkw]

he hit over .275, had over 300 HRs and over 2000 hits... plus led the league in WALKS 4 times .....obvious HOFer

NOW you got to let in Garvey, Oliva, Mattingly, Munson, Kluszewski, Colovito, Cash, Minoso, Sain, Hodges, Madlock, Maris, FHoward, Tiant, Staub, RSmith, Kaat, Blue, Foster, Cedeno, Parker, TSimmons, and dozens of other just as good (not great).....

lets get that HOF up to 1,000 memeber by 2015!!!

 

[ChasHawk]

he hit over .275, had over 300 HRs and over 2000 hits... plus led the league in WALKS 4 times .....obvious HOFer

NOW you got to let in Garvey, Oliva, Mattingly, Munson, Kluszewski, Colovito, Cash, Minoso, Sain, Hodges, Madlock, Maris, FHoward, Tiant, Staub, RSmith, Kaat, Blue, Foster, Cedeno, Parker, TSimmons, and dozens of other just as good (not great).....

lets get that HOF up to 1,000 memeber by 2015!!!

He did it in 15 seasons, while battling diabetes, at one of the most demanding positions in the game.

He is one of the top 10 third basemen of all time. The fact that there are less 3B in the HOF than any other position player shows how tough it is.

I think people also fail to realize how under-treated and over-looked diabetes was in this era.

He was basically self-medicating during games with candy, and his teammates thought it was "funny" to eat them all while he was in the field.

 

[ChasHawk]

Somebody tell me who these two players are...

.277/.362/.464/.826

.267/.322/.401/.723

 

[Captain Feathersword]

he hit over .275, had over 300 HRs and over 2000 hits... plus led the league in WALKS 4 times .....obvious HOFer

NOW you got to let in Garvey, Oliva, Mattingly, Munson, Kluszewski, Colovito, Cash, Minoso, Sain, Hodges, Madlock, Maris, FHoward, Tiant, Staub, RSmith, Kaat, Blue, Foster, Cedeno, Parker, TSimmons, and dozens of other just as good (not great).....

lets get that HOF up to 1,000 memeber by 2015!!!

He did it in 15 seasons, while battling diabetes, at one of the most demanding positions in the game.

He is one of the top 10 third basemen of all time. The fact that there are less 3B in the HOF than any other position player shows how tough it is.

I think people also fail to realize how under-treated and over-looked diabetes was in this era.

He was basically self-medicating during games with candy, and his teammates thought it was "funny" to eat them all while he was in the field.

While I don't believe Santo should be in the HOF, it was amazing he did it back then being a Type 1 diabetic. Back then, you could only take Cow/Pig origin insulin, which the body would build up a resistance to over time.

 

[ThoseBackPages]

NOW you got to let in Garvey, Oliva, Mattingly, Munson, Kluszewski, Colovito, Cash, Minoso, Sain, Hodges, Madlock, Maris, FHoward, Tiant, Staub, RSmith, Kaat, Blue, Foster, Cedeno, Parker, TSimmons, and dozens of other just as good (not great).....

lets get that HOF up to 1,000 memeber by 2015!!!

i finally agree with Frank!

 

[JzWand]

Good stuff.

Happy for Santo even if he isnt going to get a chance to enjoy it.

Wont get into the HOF debate because:

a) writers can be biased for/against people

b) a lot depends on the other players being elected the years you are

c) guys who are obviously HOF worthy sometimes dont get in right away and guys who are questionable sometimes do get in right away (ie Alomar not getting in on first try and Puckett does)

 

[Mighty Bombjack]

he hit over .275, had over 300 HRs and over 2000 hits... plus led the league in WALKS 4 times .....obvious HOFer

NOW you got to let in Garvey, Oliva, Mattingly, Munson, Kluszewski, Colovito, Cash, Minoso, Sain, Hodges, Madlock, Maris, FHoward, Tiant, Staub, RSmith, Kaat, Blue, Foster, Cedeno, Parker, TSimmons, and dozens of other just as good (not great).....

lets get that HOF up to 1,000 memeber by 2015!!!

NONE of those guys is beloved the way Santo was. That is what put Santo over the simple stats and into the Hall in my view. That bothers a lot of the statistically-minded people around. So be it.